JAIF

Super Saiya-jinn Mirai no Trunks (when he first transformed into a Super Saiya-jinn, 3 years before the time travel incident) against Frieza (3rd form, final form supressed, final form 50% of full power, final form 70% of full power, final form full power, final form maximum body strain, mechanical Frieza). Basically, compared to Frieza, where would Mirai no Trunks before the 3-year training stand? It was stated that he was at Son Goku's SSj level at Namek when he destroyed mechanical Frieza.

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Zer0

The Super Saiyan Mirai Trunks that was weaker than Son Gohan's base?
Since I believe in 50x multiplier that would make him weaker than all the forms you listed.

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LegendarySSJ7

Umm... by his own accord, he hinted to being anyplace above the SSj Goku we see on Namek. His presence commands just that ('bring everything you've got at me, unlike Son Goku, I'm no pushover') and metes out just that, so I'm not sure as to what's in question here. I feel SSj Mirai Trunks was a significant margin ahead of organic Freeza at 100%. Not to extend to a super-huge or prodigious amount, as a collaborative, but significant. I think he'd humble Freeza rather quickly.

EDIT: Actually, if we're alluding to the Mirai Trunks in Volume 33 / 17 in the
Trunks timeline sidestory, then by that mindset in question... I feel Trunks
could be significantly weaker than Freeza at 100%.

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Tyro

I disagree, Legendary. Trunks had grown up knowing nothing about Goku besides rumors told to him, as he stated. How he would know what Goku's power level would be and where he stands is beyond me.

JAIF

Uh I was talking about the Mirai no Trunks when he first transformed into a Super Saiya-jinn, that should be (according to the Trunks TV special) when Mirai no Gohan died, that's why I said at the beginning: "Super Saiya-jinn Mirai no Trunks (when he first transformed into a Super Saiya-jinn, 3 years before the time travel incident)". The Mirai no Trunks that came to Earth... well, he's shown to be above Frieza. But before he started his self-training to defeat the Androids, I wonder how strong he was, like, was he at Goku's base (post Zenkai) level on Namek (in which case he should be over Frieza as a SSj)? This sounds unlikely to me, even though he was a half-Saiyan and could possibly grow faster.

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gogeta is # 1

He was? I thought those times, Trunks wasn't a "real" super sayian. By that, I mean that he didn't have all of those traits mentioned in the other thread. His eyes weren't different. Trunks was like a half supersayian for like 30 seconds (Giji:non-canon) and he couldn't even control that either. This is the link to the other thread and I don't want things here to be off topic: http://mfgforums.com/forums/thread/91178.aspx .
On topic: I don't think Trunks ssj had a powerlevel more than 100,000. That's because he wasn't training properly.

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Arros

I believe that Freeza would actually be stronger, just becuase Trunks hasn't done the 3 years of training. I would also like to point out, although it's kind of away from what were talking about. Many people will probably say that Trunks would easily beat Freeza when he fought him as Mecha Freeza. I'l like to point out that Freeza wasn't and had no time to actually use any of his full power because Trunks killed him to quickly. I theorize that if Freeza had been able to use his full power, Trunks would not have won so easily. Now since this before, each fighter would have a lower powerlevel than in the future, but because of my own oppionion, I think Freeza would come out on top.

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JAIF

[quote user="Zer0"]You know the Trunks special isn't really canon because he was already a Super Saiyan before Son Gohan's death.[/quote]
The versus forum doesn't include only canon topics.

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Gozar

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"You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that
your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all
of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think
my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had
no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks

Tyro

[quote user="SuperVegetto3"] [quote user="Zer0"]You know the Trunks special isn't really canon because he was already a Super Saiyan before Son Gohan's death.[/quote]
The versus forum doesn't include only canon topics.[/quote]
It depends. Unless you specify a certain anime fighter (ex. Movie special Burdock), then we try to be as canon as possible when comparing. And considering there is ample evidence to show Trunks as a SSj before Gohan's death, then that's what we go by. However, you can change that with a post, if you want to that is.
Edit: Going by the manga, Trunks would probably win. Gohan says he wants to be as strong as Goku was before he died, so I would put his power equal to or slightly higher than Goku's at that time. Yet, even at his base he could hold off a SSj Trunks. So that would set SSj Trunks at about final form Freeza.

JAIF

Eh, basically, if Trunks was a Super Saiya-jinn before Gohan died (didn't have those chapters of the manga) just ignore the "first transformation" part. When Gohan died, 3 years before Trunks traveled to the past, how strong was SSj Trunks compared to Frieza?
To Tyro: final form Frieza what percentage of power?

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Tyro

Well if Gohan was equal to Goku (and I'm just going to say Namek Goku, it's easier), and SSj Trunks was equal with him, then he could fight evenly with base Freeza (final form, of course).

Gozar

Well, like I said. It depends on if we're talking Anime or Manga here.
If the Manga: SSJ Goku (before he died)>>>>SSJ Future Gohan>>>Base Future Gohan>>>>SSJ Trunks. Based upon that, I think it's obvious that Trunks is a rather weak SSJ at his age, probably in the Low 10 Millions. & I mean real low, like 12,000,000. Now, it's hard to say where Gohan's PL would fall, I'd say he'd be superior to Goku on Namek....based upon my own PL charts, if SSJ Gohan were slightly stroonger than 50&'ish Android 17, that'd place SSJ Gohan at 195,000,000.
If we're talking Anime: The Androids don't make the 50% statement. 18 does say that they're going to fight at Full Power. But Gohan still holds his own, so against a single one of them, he'd still be near even. So in the Movie Gohan is much much stronger, probably around the 400,000,000 Range. Making it more logical that SSJ Trunks be able to be slightly stronger then Freeza when first transforming.
IMO the Anime is a better telling of the story. I love Toriyama, but I think he messed it up making a Super Saiyan so weak. He probably wasn't thinking straight & indepth with PL's like we do. So I think Toriyama fudged it up & the Anime is acctually a better way to look at it. Makes more sense.

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"You hate the fact that your powerless to stop me, that
your completly outmatched, well imagine feeling the way you do now all
of the time like the people of this planet do. FOOLS, how do you think
my Master Gohan felt when you ganged up on him in the rain and he had
no way out. Well now it's your turn, I hope you enjoy it."-Trunks

LegendarySSJ7

[quote user="Gozar"]If we're talking Anime: The Androids don't make the 50% statement. 18 does say that they're going to fight at Full Power. But Gohan still holds his own, so against a single one of them, he'd still be near even. So in the Movie Gohan is much much stronger, probably around the 400,000,000 Range. Making it more logical that SSJ Trunks be able to be slightly stronger then Freeza when first transforming.
IMO the Anime is a better telling of the story. I love Toriyama, but I think he messed it up making a Super Saiyan so weak. He probably wasn't thinking straight & indepth with PL's like we do. So I think Toriyama fudged it up & the Anime is acctually a better way to look at it. Makes more sense.

[/quote]The "50% statement" may not be in the film in question, but when Mirai #18 and #17 were actively trying to put an end to him; they owned him. Pummeling him with chi blasts to the degree of his arm impairment and unconsciousness denotes that #17 and #18 were a significant margin ahead whilst making the attempt in my view. When they weren't trying, he could match them. His arm impairment just furthers the notion, as gradually crept a look of calumny on #17's countenance when he fakes every bit of overweening damage (which kind of has one's furrowing eyebrow reaching for one's hairline as to if Gohan was anyplace near them in power when they fought at full capacity - the ONLY way that works for me is if one takes into account their infinite energy reactor, but Piccolo vs. #17's bout says differently in my eyes). But then eventually dealing away with him as they pummel him with chi blasts at their whim.

And the anime in no way makes sense by comparison to the Manga; the non-canon anime is no acceptable template to use to guage at the respective power (as the rather interminable Anime never cleanly ports characters of the original Manga, or anything, for that matter, if that sounds less tenacious). If anything, TOEI just inanely supercharges their characters to the extent of being excessive in every aspect in power. But in hindsight, we should be a long stride from using the anime as proof to this versus subject of discussion. Well, to keep on-topic to this thread - I feel by Manga mindset, it depends on which Trunks is being alluded to. The younger one who plugs at laboring with Mirai Gohan? Low, really low; possibly Freeza in his 2nd stage low. 16-year old SSj Trunks? Possibly around organic Freeza at 100%, but probably noticeably anyplace below in a terms of power. 17-year old SSj Trunks? A noticeable margin ahead of the SSj Goku on Namek in question (and equaling out Mecha Freeza at 100%, his full capacities), if that sums up the parameters of this thread.

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