G-lord

I've edited my post so that most of it is gone. I did it so that Ram9 won't be distracted from his exam. The only thing I will add from the original post is: Manga chapters where Botan mentions God and Buddha: Fine, I'll tell you. I'll use the raw untranslated images so you can find them (I don't have the English scans on me, but I do have the Manga), and highlight the Kanji that mention "Buddha" and "God".I'll also provide a reference chart. For Buddha, it was in Chapter 1 of Volume 1. For God, it was Chapter 5 of Volume 1. REFERENCE FOR THE KANJI FOR BUDDHA:REFERENCE FOR THE KANJI FOR GOD: (It's actually "Kami-sama" that I've shown there, which refers to God with a capital 'G').Manga chapter where I drew my "Human Plane" scan from:It was in Chapter 10 (last chapter) of Volume 5.How to post images: "Once you have the scan saved onto your computer, go to Imageshack. It is a website that allows you to host images. Just click on the "Browse" button and select the image on your computer. You can also choose on the site whether to change the resolution. Then, all you need to do is click "Host it". Once done, it should come up with a variety of hotlinks. Just copy one of them, and then paste it into your post. Then the image should come up. If you need any more help, just ask.I will wait until these scans are up before I judge, as I do believe that you have something that is making you believe my scans are wrong. Good luck on your exam."I will post the rest after the exam.

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deckzone3000

Why are people even talking about YYH's God in this topic?
[quote user="G-lord"] First, he did not transform in order to do so. If he was using anything APPROACHING full power, he'd at least be wearing the blue armour. He didn't even go for his gold armour. So he wasn't using anything significant to deflect the Mafuukan. [/quote] lol Where did you come up with that stuff?
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[quote user="deckzone3000"]All that means is A class > B class. So, Yusuke's statement is meaningless.[/quote] So Yusuke saying that all the B classes in Makai are preferable to one A class means ONLY one A class > one B class?
It means one A class > ALL B classes combined, if you read the quote. [/quote] Yusuke has never seen or felt an A class being - His quote is worthless.

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[quote user="deckzone3000"]Was this just in the Japanese version too? lol[/quote] LOL! You are either blind or just weren't looking hard enough. Look at Ep89 for proof. We see fixed stars in Itsuki's universe. We also see the same objects shake in Ep88. I am in the process of acquiring screencaps for it, if you need more proof. [/quote] I watched right before I posted and didn't see what you saw.
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[quote user="deckzone3000"]I still want to know what makes you think Goku shook the universe.[/quote] Like others here, I saw it in the Anime, where he shook planets as far out as New Namek by powering up to SSJ3 levels. I also saw it in Movie 12, where he shook the Afterlife.
[/quote] You mean, the non-canon stuff? hmm

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Can Yusuke Destory a whole Planet with using almost no Energy??? Death Beam can also take Yusuke down and make him pretty hurt. I think after the Syain Saga Most Animes/Comics characters dont even come close to the Power of Dragonball Z characters.

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G-lord

We were talking about YYH's God because Ram9 said DBZ>>>Saint Seiya>>>YYH. I mentioned how can two shows that contain no truly omnipotent beings even *hope* to contend with a show that has several. I mentioned God and Buddha as two of the omnipotents of Reikai. YYH would not have to dig too far into it's supply of omnipotent beings to win: God would be enough, and He wouldn't have to try.
[quote user="deckzone3000"]lol Where did you come up with that stuff?[/quote] Uh...the show itself? Where Sensui HAD to transform into his armour in order to power up further? Maybe you should actually pay attention to the show itself before lol-ing, as you are missing many things that others of us here have not.
[quote user="deckzone3000"]Yusuke has never seen or felt an A class being - His quote is worthless.[/quote] No, it isn't. Yusuke was told by Koenma that A classes were that dangerous. Koenma stated in Episode 87 that he had experienced the power of S classes, as he had to use the Mafuukan a few times in the past in order to stop them. This statement occurred just after the explanation by the narrator of the Mafuukan.
So his opinion is informed, therefore Yusuke's is. Yusuke was basically rehashing what Koenma told him about the power of the A classes due to the purpose of the barrier.
[quote user="deckzone3000"]I watched right before I posted and didn't see what you saw.[/quote] Like I said, you weren't watching hard enough. To tell you the truth, I only noticed the stars watching YYH on a pretty big TV. There are quite a lot of them too, especially considering that most of the space we see in Itsuki's universe is clouded with debris and dark clouds.
I captured some...poorer quality images on a smaller TV using a camera. This made it harder to find the stars, of course, but I circled the stars I found in the example I'm using for easier viewing:
The stars in Akuka (Ituski's universe) in Episode 89:


Well, it appears you just haven't been looking hard enough. I have circled the three that I could capture in those two pictures. They are clearly fixed objects (as the rest of the objects in Itsuki's universe moves) and are very distant. The debris also never moves behind the stars either, proving the distance. They also do look a lot like distant stars, what with them being distant points of light and all.
An attempt at capturing the shaking universe in Episode 88:
This is an incredibly hard feat to do, as it is hard to capture several frames of animation in one picture. I basically took two pictures: one before the universe shook, and one during the shaking. Here's my attempt:
Before:

I'll direct your attention to the star I have circled near Kuwabara's elbow. Note the exact look of it.
After:

This is the point where the universe was shaking. Notice how the star (circled again) has become harder to see and is blurred. This is because when you capture a frame that shows a point in an animation that is supposed to be "shaking", the more distant the object, the more blurred it becomes. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE STAR. It is clearly shaking.
That was my best shot so far, at least using still frames and the few tools I had at the time.
[quote user="deckzone3000"]You mean, the non-canon stuff? hmm[/quote] So now the Buu Saga in the Anime is non-canon? Oh, you must be referring to my Movie 12 part. Yes, that was non-canon, but not the Buu Saga part. I only included the non-canon movie because it contained a canon transformation. So I thought it added to the feats of the SSJ3, as that was a canon transformation. I guess I was wrong. But the universe shaking still occurred during the Buu Saga in the Anime.
You should watch more DBZ too, it seems.

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SS2 Vegeto

Actually, technically the anime is considered non-canon, for Dragonball.

But to get to the point of my post...this conversation has been brutalized. Frankly, it is at the point that new evidence is simpy waved away, it's value undermined, arguments are becoming highly selective, and it is going nowhere. Frankly, it's saddening to see that an attempt at intellectual discussion turns out like this...as it has again and again in the past.

Essentially, it's degraded into....nothing with a promising existence. For this reason, as with the last three YuYu Hakusho vs. DB/Z threads, I am closing this as well.

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