Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks vs Super Saiyan 4 Goku - Page 2

Broly · 08-09-2006

Look SSj3 Goku is no match for Super Buu, but you're tellin me SSj4 is on Par. with Gohan Buu and Vegeto?

V3g3t0 · 08-09-2006

That's YOUR opinion that SSJ3 Goku is no match for Super Buu . And there's a huge difference between SSJ3 Goku from DBZ and the one from Gt .

And SSJ4 Goku would make sports out of Gohan Buu . It would go out like Vegeto Vs Gohan Buu , if not even worse for Gohan Buu .

ixidor · 08-09-2006

If old kai said that ssj4 was the greatest warrior he ever seen, this put him stronger then chou gohan, that is stronger the ssj3 gotenks. Elementar...

Roleplay · 08-09-2006

no it wouldnt becasue by the time Goku got ssj4 Goten and trunks would be older and stronger and would be alot stronger as Gotenks

V3g3t0 · 08-09-2006

Older doesn't mean stronger if you stop training . Look at adult Gohan and Cell Games Gohan

Roleplay · 08-09-2006

but they dont stop training do they

ixidor · 08-09-2006

Goku knew his power and he said to him that the fusion it was useless, only his ssj4 would do something. Ssj4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ssj3 gotenks.

**SS2 Vegeto** · 08-09-2006

You do know that nobody is allowed to use non-cannon
logic to prove their points on these forums. If GT says something that
contradicts the manga, the manga is automatically correct. GT says a
lot of things that are both impossible, and incorrect.

Prince Vegeta · 08-09-2006

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Originally Posted by SS2 Vegeto

You do know that nobody is allowed to use non-cannon logic to prove their points on these forums. If GT says something that contradicts the manga, the manga is automatically correct. GT says a lot of things that are both impossible, and incorrect.

Then why use SSJ4 in an argument? The fact is, he doesn't exist in the canon universe. Toei specifically made him out to be at a certain power (and it just so happens that his power that they made him out to be is far higher than SSJ3 Gotenks'). Saying that SSJ4 Goku should logically be at a certain power would mean that you aren't using the real SSJ4 Goku (the one Toei made). But then again there is no real SSj4 Goku. So IMO either use the SSJ4 Goku that really exists (instead of comparing a hypothetical one that doesn't really exist). Or if you don't agree with it's screwed up logic, then well nobody's forcing you to discuss GT.

V3g3t0 · 08-09-2006

Since SSJ4 is non-cannon we can use non-cannon points . But even then I used all the points you call "cannon" from Dragonball Z , that beying that Super Buu , Mystic Gohan , SSJ3 Gotenks ,SSJ Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku and still proved that SSJ4 Goku is about 15 X stronger than Mystic Gohan and 20X > SSJ3 Gotenks .

But I could also go totally uncannon , since Gt is based on the anime and not the manga , and in the DBZ anime Goku is stronger than all the ones above . If I would go that way SSJ4 Goku could kill Mystic Gohan just by looking at him .

How does SSJ4 Goku beying that much stronger than Mystic Gohan contradict the DB Manga ?

Arros · 08-09-2006

It's like the old Kai said, this was the strongest being ever. Sure GT doesn't have anything to do with the manga but since this is a Canon vs Non Canon character we have to use GT Logic and SSJ 4 owns SSJ3 Gotenks.

Broly · 08-09-2006

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Originally Posted by V3g3t0

That's YOUR opinion that SSJ3 Goku is no match for Super Buu . And there's a huge difference between SSJ3 Goku from DBZ and the one from Gt .

And SSJ4 Goku would make sports out of Gohan Buu . It would go out like Vegeto Vs Gohan Buu , if not even worse for Gohan Buu .

What do you mean thats my oppinion, thats my FACT. Goku stated himself inside Buu's body that he nor Vegeta was any kinda match for Super Buu. Thats a Fact. But your saying SSj4 Goku, from one simple transformation from 3-4 is stronger than SSj Vegeto? Realisticly, I think not. GT has completely ignored the fundamentals of DBZ.

ixidor · 08-10-2006

And it's also a fact that Gohan was stronger then Ssj3 gotenks and his energy was not even close to kid boo's energy, goku need Earth's people energy and all z warriors energy to kill him, plus a kamehame at his ssj. Is also a fact that vegeta stated ssj3 goku as the number 1, plus making him stronger then gohan and ssj3 gotenks, it's also a fact that vegeta refused gohan and gotenk's help to kill kid boo and it's also a fact that south kaioshin was weaker then a weak ssj gohan because he couldn't take the z sword and yet, buff boo, that is kid boo + south kaioshin, was stronger then super boo. And it's a fact that goku, after he said to vegeta that they couldn't defeat super boo, he asks him to fuse, what sounds like as an excuse, and it's also a fact that the first time vegeta said that "after we take our friends we just blast out and we kill him", the only objection from Goku was that they could not find them, what would counter your statement, and it's also a fact that toryama changed the final in the end in order to make goku the hero, and so, since later statements are the correct ones, Super boo would be beat by kid boo as Myke Tyson takes a candy from a child, and so, goku would just beat around ssj3 gotenks.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 08-10-2006

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Originally Posted by ixidor

And it's also a fact that Gohan was stronger then Ssj3 gotenks and his energy was not even close to kid boo's energy, goku need Earth's people energy and all z warriors energy to kill him, plus a kamehame at his ssj. Is also a fact that vegeta stated ssj3 goku as the number 1, plus making him stronger then gohan and ssj3 gotenks, it's also a fact that vegeta refused gohan and gotenk's help to kill kid boo and so, goku would just beat around ssj3 gotenks.

From Volume 26, Page 113: "You Are The Champion!! Good Luck, Kakarrot..." Hence no "Number 1". And Vegeta was alluding to Goku's past feats and the reason as to why he always overcame his foes, not him being stronger than SSj 3 Gotenks or Ultimate Gohan: "I know! You're gonna get Gohan and Gotenks to fight with us!", "No." "I said, let the Earthlings save themselves for once!", Page 165. Notice how Goku too is cognizant of the fact that he'd need SSj 3 Gotenks, but more preferably Gohan to do away with Boo? Such a mention is not marring in any way, other than Vegeta simply wanted humanity to fight for their survival that time around.

It was a different approach. Now, granted, SSj 3 Goku without the chi-drain could defeat Chibi Boo, but as Goku states on Page 60: "Wait! He's still stronger than either of us! He'll kill us if we go out like this!!". "You just had to break the Potara!". All meaning 1) Shin Boo was far stronger than SSj 3 Goku, and as Goku states himself, SSj 3 Gotenks is above his own power and 2) "if we go out like this!!" as the innuendo of them not being fused as Vegetto, which is what they'd need to do in order to beat Shin Boo with the facilitance of Gohan or SSj 3 Gotenks amiss. And Gohan's chi was more than enough for the prospect of destroying Chibi Boo, Goku didn't have the strength to propel the Genki Dama. "We didn't figure on this... Kakarrot doesn't have the power to unleash it!", from Vegeta.

As for the actual versus fight, it's all a matter of whether we decide to adhere to canon or non-canon facts (Manga vs. Anime), but I really wouldn't know as I usually don't care to watch GT.

The Mighty Goku · 08-10-2006

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Originally Posted by The Mighty Goku

WOW.

Okay.....SS4 Goku would annihilate SS3 Gotenks with one hand tied behind his back. Base Goku in GT was able to defeat both HFIL Cell and HFIL Frieza. HFIL Cell is stated to be MUCH stronger than Super Perfect Cell. And Base Goku overcame him like he was nothing. This would put Base Goku in GT equal or stronger than Majin Vegeta. Syn Shenron was STATED to be the most powerful villian that has ever graced the Dragonball Universe. This would put Syn Shenron above Buuhan. And don't forget, that when Goku fought Syn, he was blind and tired....and he had been fighting the whole day, so its safe to assume that if both were rejuvinated that they would be roughly equal. SS4 Goku would destroy SS3 Gotenks....and spin Ultimate Gohan like a top at the same time.

This isn't a fight, its a massacre.

Omega Shenron >> SS4 Goku (powered-up) >> Syn Shenron > or =

SS4 Goku (Blind and tired) > Buuhan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SS3 Gotenks

Has anybody read my above post...geesh.

Don't act dimwitted guys...just because SS3 Goku was weaker than Super Buu IN Z does not mean anything. This is SS4 Goku FROM GT. The time difference between GT and the Buu Saga is roughly 20 years. Goku trained all of that time, so its no suprise that his SS4 could have been on par with Vegetto...which he was in GT. You guys are just adding the SS4 transformation to Z Goku and determining that power...that is wrong. This is GT Goku......

SS4 Goku (Powerd-Up) > SS Vegetto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SS3 Gotenks

08-09-2006	#16 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks vs Super Saiyan 4 Goku Look SSj3 Goku is no match for Super Buu, but you're tellin me SSj4 is on Par. with Gohan Buu and Vegeto? __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

08-09-2006	#17 (permalink)
V3g3t0 (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 223 Rep Power: 3	Re: Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks vs Super Saiyan 4 Goku That's YOUR opinion that SSJ3 Goku is no match for Super Buu . And there's a huge difference between SSJ3 Goku from DBZ and the one from Gt . And SSJ4 Goku would make sports out of Gohan Buu . It would go out like Vegeto Vs Gohan Buu , if not even worse for Gohan Buu .

08-09-2006	#18 (permalink)
ixidor (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,158 Rep Power: 4	Re: Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks vs Super Saiyan 4 Goku If old kai said that ssj4 was the greatest warrior he ever seen, this put him stronger then chou gohan, that is stronger the ssj3 gotenks. Elementar...

08-09-2006	#19 (permalink)
Roleplay (23) Final Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: The world that never was. Posts: 2,641 Blog Entries: 5 Rep Power: 64	Re: Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks vs Super Saiyan 4 Goku no it wouldnt becasue by the time Goku got ssj4 Goten and trunks would be older and stronger and would be alot stronger as Gotenks __________________

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V3g3t0 (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 223 Rep Power: 3	Re: Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks vs Super Saiyan 4 Goku Older doesn't mean stronger if you stop training . Look at adult Gohan and Cell Games Gohan

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Roleplay (23) Final Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: The world that never was. Posts: 2,641 Blog Entries: 5 Rep Power: 64	Re: Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks vs Super Saiyan 4 Goku but they dont stop training do they __________________

08-09-2006	#22 (permalink)
ixidor (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,158 Rep Power: 4	Re: Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks vs Super Saiyan 4 Goku Goku knew his power and he said to him that the fusion it was useless, only his ssj4 would do something. Ssj4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ssj3 gotenks.

08-09-2006	#23 (permalink)
SS2 Vegeto Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In God's Hands Posts: 9,396 Rep Power: 37	Re: Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks vs Super Saiyan 4 Goku You do know that nobody is allowed to use non-cannon logic to prove their points on these forums. If GT says something that contradicts the manga, the manga is automatically correct. GT says a lot of things that are both impossible, and incorrect. __________________

08-09-2006	#25 (permalink)
V3g3t0 (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 223 Rep Power: 3	Re: Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks vs Super Saiyan 4 Goku Since SSJ4 is non-cannon we can use non-cannon points . But even then I used all the points you call "cannon" from Dragonball Z , that beying that Super Buu , Mystic Gohan , SSJ3 Gotenks ,SSJ Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku and still proved that SSJ4 Goku is about 15 X stronger than Mystic Gohan and 20X > SSJ3 Gotenks . But I could also go totally uncannon , since Gt is based on the anime and not the manga , and in the DBZ anime Goku is stronger than all the ones above . If I would go that way SSJ4 Goku could kill Mystic Gohan just by looking at him . How does SSJ4 Goku beying that much stronger than Mystic Gohan contradict the DB Manga ?

08-09-2006	#26 (permalink)
Arros Bleach Ranked (20) Captain Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NC, USA Posts: 1,433 Rep Power: 15	Re: Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks vs Super Saiyan 4 Goku It's like the old Kai said, this was the strongest being ever. Sure GT doesn't have anything to do with the manga but since this is a Canon vs Non Canon character we have to use GT Logic and SSJ 4 owns SSJ3 Gotenks. __________________ Kenpachi is the most badass character ever. He's the kind of guy who would write his own name in the Death Note and then procede to beat the crap out of Yagami with it.

08-10-2006	#28 (permalink)
ixidor (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,158 Rep Power: 4	Re: Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks vs Super Saiyan 4 Goku And it's also a fact that Gohan was stronger then Ssj3 gotenks and his energy was not even close to kid boo's energy, goku need Earth's people energy and all z warriors energy to kill him, plus a kamehame at his ssj. Is also a fact that vegeta stated ssj3 goku as the number 1, plus making him stronger then gohan and ssj3 gotenks, it's also a fact that vegeta refused gohan and gotenk's help to kill kid boo and it's also a fact that south kaioshin was weaker then a weak ssj gohan because he couldn't take the z sword and yet, buff boo, that is kid boo + south kaioshin, was stronger then super boo. And it's a fact that goku, after he said to vegeta that they couldn't defeat super boo, he asks him to fuse, what sounds like as an excuse, and it's also a fact that the first time vegeta said that "after we take our friends we just blast out and we kill him", the only objection from Goku was that they could not find them, what would counter your statement, and it's also a fact that toryama changed the final in the end in order to make goku the hero, and so, since later statements are the correct ones, Super boo would be beat by kid boo as Myke Tyson takes a candy from a child, and so, goku would just beat around ssj3 gotenks.