Vito

who will win?

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Lord Frieza

Chaiotzu, I think he has a power level in the mid hundred thousands, and he has gotten stronger over DBZ and went a long way training.

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TwistedFaith

Uh, not really. In the Arrival of Bejiita and Nappa arc, he was at..well, no-one really knows, given that pretty much the only thing he did was sneak up on Nappa and then detonate himself in the hopes of vanquishing him, only to..burn off a bit of his armor. At best, I'd put him at, like, below 1,000, and given that the training on Kaiou-sama's planet wouldn't get him nearly as far as it did Gokuu, since his PL was much higher than when Gokuu went through the same experience, not to mention, he's pretty much thrown aside, at this point. Nor does he have nearly as much fighting prowess given his being (loosely)a human.(and a runt, let's not forget runt.) Of course, Gerudo/Gurd isn't exactly the fighting type either, but given that he has the ability to manipulate time(though it was quite strenuous for him, apparently, to the point where he couldn't even attack while holding it, otherwise he would have exhausted all of his power) along with most, if not all, of Chaouzu's abilities..so I would hand the win to Gerudo, and please, don't make reference to that crap filler segment where Chaozu "beat" Gerudo before you make a mockery of yourself.

That's my 2 cents.

Gogeta the Super Fusion

Grudo would win. Besides Freeza, he was part of the Ginyu squad-The strongest group in the universe during Freeza's time. So Grudo must be preety strong. In Z , although he trained, his strongest attack still wasnt enough to kill nappa. And except for a few what you call filler scenes, he doesnt fight uch. Gurdo would win. But it would be a cool fight to see! LMAO!

The Chibi Kiriyama

If you're talking about anything pre-Kaio training, Gurd would win. If you're taking Kaio-training or post-Kaio training timeframe, Chaozu wins.

Could have been clear on which...

Vito

post kaio training actually [B)]

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Pudge

Ok with Kaio training I'd definintly said Chiatzu. Actuly now that I think about it, there was a filler were Chaitzu defeated Guldo. But eh we can't use fillers as evidence. But ok just by reconing I'd say Guldo was weaker than the 20,000's by far. Chaitzu I'd put in above 20,000. So basicly and without much detail put I'd say Chaitzu.

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Pudge

Simple, I was half awake and didn't care at the time. Stil tired just now I'm not as tired to actuly know I made a mistake. But ya I know I'm wrong but I'll fix it some other time I guess.

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Carazo

Chaoz was much more time than Gokuh + he had a higher power-level when he did arrive. In my opinion the humans and Piccolo did increase a lot more than Gokuh. It always happens when another warrior does the same training after the other. The training that the humans did with Kami-Sama would be a good example.

Ten Shin Han was probably close to the 100,000 range when his training was finished and I say that Chaoz would be in 30,000 range.

And to answer the question. Clearly Chaoz.

Tyro

Yeah, and do you realize that that higher power level lessens the progress the higher gravity has on the body? Meaning, that being on that world when the gravity feels like nothing anymore means you have to do more training to make up for it. And the fact that Ten and Chouzu were on the planet for 266 days means they were practically living there. So, the probability they were out training every day isn't great. But considering that they probably did get more training time in than Goku, I would say Ten reaches 10,000 and Chouzu reaches 3,000 - 4,000.

About the training with Kami-sama, he made a comment that he left most of his training up to Mr. Popo and in the one panel we see of Ten and the others, Kami-sama is there. Also, note that Goku didn't leave Kami-sama's until the day of the tournament when everyone else left once they surpassed Kami-sama. Meaning that they might progress faster than Goku did.

Carazo

That not stated not in Manga, so I can't take the first part serious because it's invented.

And about the the training with Kami-Sama. The humans train there 11 month, Goku 3 years. And most of the humans did increase 6 to 8 times there power, I think it's a considerable difference.

I actually think that Chaoz surpassed Kururin and Yamcha by the end of DB, maybe even in the Buu Saga.

Tyro

How is it invented? It is commom sense that a higher power level lessens the stress the excess gravity puts on the body. Look at Goku. At "over 8000" his body could move easily at 10x Earth's normal gravity. But at 20x Earth's normal gravity, he couldn't. Then, once his power level got to 90,000, he was going around like it was nothing. I clearly did not invent this.

Ten and Chaozu were on Kaio-sama's planet for 8.8 months. Four days while Goku is in space and 260 days until they get wished back. Divide that by 30 day periods and you get 8.8 months. Not 11.

Goku was on there 3 years? Try 10 months. The Saiyan were stated to have arrived "more than a month sooner than we expected."

Carazo

Uh I haven't sayd that the humans did train 11 months with Kaio-Sama? 10x gravity is still better than 1x.

What If Kaio-Sama did give him weights? do you think that a Die-hard fighter like Ten Shin Han is going to do the same training if he barely progresses? I'm sure that Ten Shin han and Chaoz did increase a lot in those extra 180 days.

Kaio Sama also did give Goku weights in the Buu-Saga.

Tyro

Then who did you mean rather than Ten, Chaozu (if he is human) and Yamcha?

What if your just speculating on Kaio-sama giving him weights at all? The fac is, he didn't give Goku weights when he stayed there because there was extra gravity. He didn't need weights then. He only gave Goku weights when he was on another planet with normal gravity. And he isn't a die-hard fighter. If he was, he would have taken a turn in the RoSaT like they offered him.

But this is turning into another Ten vs. Kuririn match. Lets stop here and get back on topic. Chaozu (post Kaio-sama training) wins this fight.