LegendarySSJ7

I was just saying that there was a flair that it was a contingent possibility or chance that the multiplier was lower than 5x if Base Vegetto was able to take care of Ultimate Gohan with no such effort or was able to do battle with Shin Boo (Gotenks Prime). Or, it could have been lower by that Saga Arc all-together. It's difficult to say. But I would say a 3-5x multiplier isn't a woeful one.

To reiterate my belief, I think base Vegetto would quite easily disperse of Ultimate Gohan, let alone rival him without much ado to be had.

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SS2 Vegeto

That theory could be plausible, yet what's to support a 50 fold
multiplication of power degrading into a 5 fold multiplication of
power, particularly considering the fact that the individual's strength
would have increased over this time? Even for a fusion, can we truly
support that it decreased this much? This is mostly what I'm prodding
at.

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Broly

It is obvious that vegeto is the strongest in DBZ. He would without a doubt smash gohan through the ground.

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SS2 Vegeto

We're speaking of base Vegetto, which is actually quite debatable.

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The Chibi Kiriyama

I've pondered this a long time and come to the conclusion that it has to do with the mastery of the Super Saiyan level. When we first see the Super Saiyan level, it taps into Goku's reserves through the initial transformation. Goku makes no note of the inflicted damage on him before and for all intents and purposes is rejuvenated. The side effect is that the sheer power Goku is tapping into is humongous; hence, the reason why the transformation leaves such a restless feeling when simply tapped into and not fully controlled. I believe that the training and duration of usage effects the multiplier. The restless feeling is thrown away when the Saiyan makes the normal state and transformed state have less of a massive gap. By doing this, they can drop their aura completely and convert the remaining energy that would have been made to transform to power up as a Super Saiyan to the maximum extent. In this manner their auraless Super Saiyan form and normal state become synonymous. An example:

SS Goku on Namek: large difference from normal state but still requiring focus (in Goku's case, the focus righteous anger brings him) to maintain

SS Goku fighting Cell: small difference from normal state/ auraless Super Saiyan state only requiring effort to consolidate power in increments so as to conserve chi in 'half' and 'full' power states

I guess what I'm trying to say here is that the longer that a Saiyan seeks to rid themselves of Super Saiyan restlessness, the more the body tries to make the transformation less stressful and more effortless by making the amount of power they can multiply by limited while still allowing them to progress in power instead of stifling their ability. This is supported by the small multiplier (3.75 to 5) in the Boo Saga when the transformation is marginal in comparison to the Namek Saga (50) where it took concious effort at the sacrifice of chi and a restless feeling. This would also explain why despite Goku's training he still loses chi in SS2- if the Super Saiyan level is so marginal in power once mastered from the normal state and the needs of the body for more power so great, it may be that both forms are a response to the need in that they release the control of the body's restlessness to tap into former SS-size power with the more visible effect of unrestrained power. One could surmise that the only level that goes beyond the SS logic are the failed Super Saiyan forms and SS3, and both have a glancing flaw in this in that the amount of power tapped comes with a disadvantage that makes the extension of SS-size power useless for long-term fighting what with the muscle mass and/or chi drain.

SS2 Vegeto

I'm okay with that explanation, though it's not.....conclusive. Though
I'm not sure we really can come up with anything conclusive on this
one. It makes sense, but I still have a few more questions.



Though there was that massive release of ki when Goku powered up to his
FPSSJ stage on Kami's lookout that seemed to seriously shock everyone.
If the base power was only five times weaker, couldn't they feel it,
and not be shocked by a lesser multiplication of the base than before?
Though I guess he could be surpressing it....

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JerrodDRagon

ok

Super veggetto VS Gohan, Veggetto wins

Veggeto vs Gohan, Vegeeto wins, why becuase he was a little bit weaker than Gohan buu in him and since Gohan buu had both Buu and Gohan (plus a little bit of power from Piccolo, Trunks, and Gotens) I would say Veggeto is stronger than Gohan.

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goldenarms88

Son Gohan had the abillty to beat Gotenkusu Majin Buu. Son Gohan had all that power, But in compariing bewteen Son Gohan battleing Bejitto. Bejitto was battling a higher level of Majin Buu, which Son Gohan probable couldn't handle. So bascily, Bejitto would probably inch his way to victory. Bejitto would defienitly win or maybe, he'd lose, pehapes of his cokyness It would lower his chances, but he wouldn't be to cocky to let him self lose. He's a little more focused then that. He almost defeated Son Gohan Majin Buu, but his countdown was dicotinued, by being absorbed by Son Gohan Majin Buu. Man, If I were Bejitto, I wouldn't even count down BAM! dead... I mean thaz how I would finish him. Wait I remeber, he let himself be absoberd so he could rescue the other. So in other words, If he had destroyed Son Gohan Majin Buu, all the other within him would have been killed?

SS2 Vegeto

Chou Gohan was considerably stronger than Gotenks Buu, Base Vegetto
never fought Gohan Buu, and SSJ Vegetto wanted to be absorbed.

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Prince Vegeta

I'm sure you meant "Shin Boo" seeing as Boo with Gotenks was far stronger than Son Gohan.

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JerrodDRagon

No Goku wanted Gohan ot fushin with him to defeat him so no he is not stronger than Gotenks buu

Next Veggetoo fought Both in his base and in his full power against Gohan buu (unless that was non cannon)

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Sephiroth

Yes that is filler as soon as Vegeto was formed he transformed.

I would say that the Super Saiyan multiplier for Vegeto would be the same as for Goku and Vegeta at the time witch IMO would be a 4x increase so a lot depends upon your opinion of Super Vegeto's strength but I would put base Vegeto as a little stronger then Ultimate Gohan.

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^thanks I habe not got the last manga of DBZ yet. Wow does Toei understand adding fillers like that change the whole story and screws up the fights.

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SS2 Vegeto

Yeah, that was seriously my mistake. I'll reverse that. Gotenks Buu is considerably stronger than Chou Gohan. By far.

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Arros

vegito would easily beat gohan, gohan was struggling with buutenks, while vegito dominated buuhan! this should be easy to understand!

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