Majin Uub vs. Mystic Gohan - Page 4

JerrodDRagon · 07-11-2006

In Toei's fake Plot world Majin ubb would win

But in the DBZ real world Gohan would kill him, so thats all that matters so Gohan wins.

Prince Vegeta · 07-11-2006

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Originally Posted by SS2 Vegeto

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So now Goku is stronger than a fusion that he's part of? At one level transformation above the one that with which he was scared out of his wits by base Shin Buu? Who after absorbing an individual who he couldn't lay a finger on, or injure even by resorting to self destruction, was toyed with, thrown around like a ragdoll, and brutalized in every sense of the word by the fusion that Goku is a part of? That seems far too fallacious to consider.

SSJ Vegetto>>>Gohan Buu>>>Chou Gohan>>>Buff Buu>>>Piccolo Buu>>>Shin Buu>/=SSJ4 Goku>>>SSJ4 Vegeta>>>Majuub

And as a matter of fact, by any logic, assuming the form of a child would certainly not leave any sort of positive impact on your power.

As demented as GT is, Syn Shenron was stated to be "in another league" when compared to all previous villians. Bye the way I'm talking about Syn and not Omega (Omega as you imagine is even stronger). This statement was made in the subbed version and thus it must be taken as a fact. Again no matter how horrific GT's logics are, one must coincide with them whilst comparing with a character from the very series. And furthermore Son Goku ssj4 after recieving energy from Son Gohan, Son Goten and Trunks was able to put Syn to shame. In fact, ssj4 Vegeta stated that to fight Syn would be a "waste of his time." Based on this Son Goku ssj4 (after recieving energy)>ssj4 Vegeta>Syn>ssj4 Son Goku. Keep in mind that Son Goku wasn't strong enough to handle Syn (prior to recieving energy from the half saiyans).

So I personally would amend your list to resemble this,

SSJ Vegito>SSJ4 Son Goku "after recieving energy">SSJ4 Vegeta>Syn Shenron>Boo with Gohan>Son Goku SSJ4>Son Gohan "Mystic">Buff Boo>Shin Boo>Majin Oob.

If you wish to continue this discussion, I'd be more than happy to. However, I'd prefer other means such as AIM or PM's.

JerrodDRagon · 07-11-2006

^like I said in my post there are 2 ways to look at it the Toei way or what would have really happened which is Majin ubb would have got owned, but lets not go into the whole Syn and SS4 Goku power levels in this thread.

**SS2 Vegeto** · 07-11-2006

I'd rather contradict Toei's logic than Toriyama's, when they conflict.
It's logically impossible that Syn Shenron could be stronger than Gohan
Buu, by canon logic.

Prince Vegeta · 07-11-2006

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Originally Posted by SS2 Vegeto

I'd rather contradict Toei's logic than Toriyama's, when they conflict. It's logically impossible that Syn Shenron could be stronger than Gohan Buu, by canon logic.

The problem is, there is only one Syn Shenron (And that's the one Toei created). Since Akira Toriyama didn't create a "Syn Shenron" we have to go with the only one that was created. And it just so happens that the "only" one that was created was stated to be stronger than all previous villians. It may seem like it's impossible (and it most likely is), however it's up to Toei to decide the strength of their characters. I personally believe that if one is comparing GT characters with canon characters then we must coincide with some of GT's logic. I mean, there is no canonic Syn Shenron, so the only one we can use is the non canon one.

JerrodDRagon · 07-12-2006

Yeah but Gt made everything -removed- Goku was stronger than Gohan, Vegeta is weak its all -removed-.

Please keep the TOS in mind when you post. -The Chibi Kiriyama

Prince Vegeta · 07-12-2006

Unfortunately we are forced to tangle with this mess whilst arguing about GT. IMO if you do not like GT's horrific logic, then why discuss it at all? You can either choose to deal with it's disasterous logic or you can choose to not argue about GT all the same. Personally I am not liking the discussions regarding GT all that much as of late. However whatever way you look at this particular fight, Son Gohan prevails. If Majin Oob was at his prime, he would match Shin Boo. However, all the evidence suggests that he's nowhere near his prime. Though even if he was at his prime it would all be the same. Son Gohan was far stronger than Shin Boo and thus however you look at this fight, he'd easily tear Oob apart (Whether he's at his prime or not).

Gogeta the Super Fusion · 07-25-2006

I say Ultimate Gohan. He's stronger than Super Buu which is equal to Majin Uub. Gohan>>>Majin Uub. {Plus Majin Uub has bad aim. Gohan has more skill and faster.

**SS2 Vegeto** · 07-25-2006

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Originally Posted by Prince Vegeta

Unfortunately we are forced to tangle with
this mess whilst arguing about GT. IMO if you do not like GT's horrific
logic, then why discuss it at all? You can either choose to deal with
it's disasterous logic or you can choose to not argue about GT all the
same. Personally I am not liking the discussions regarding GT all that
much as of late. However whatever way you look at this particular
fight, Son Gohan prevails. If Majin Oob was at his prime,
he would match Shin Boo. However, all the evidence suggests that
he's nowhere near his prime. Though even if he was at his prime it
would all be the same. Son Gohan was far stronger than Shin Boo
and thus however you look at this fight, he'd easily tear Oob apart
(Whether he's at his prime or not).

My point is, that when the GT logic and the manga logic clashes, in an
issue involving both GT and the manga, which logic will you lean towads?

However, I do certainly agree with your overall point. By any logic, Majuub would not stand a chance.

**JAIF** · 10-03-2006

That's one of the most interesting and debatable topics I have ever encountered. Here is my opinion:
Before Uub merged with Mr Buu, he was at most as powerful as Kid Goku SSJ1. Remember, Goku is a full Saiyan, and Uub a full human. Even though Uub is super-powerful, he could not have excheeded Super Saiyan Goku, because Goku didn't stop training.
When Uub merged with Mr Buu, he multiplied his overall power so much that he was stronger than Kid Goku SSJ2, who wouldn't stand a chance against Bebi-Vegetta, almost as strong as Kid Goku SSJ3.
Son Gohan, with his potential awakened, could easily wipe Super Buu out, probably even Super Buu w/Gotenks if he was at full strenght, a feat Goku SSJ3 (Buu Saga) could not achieve. But Goku became much stronger over the course of GT, so that Kid Goku SSJ2 (Bebi Saga) was probably as strong as adult Goku SSJ3 (Buu Saga). What makes me say that? Adult Goku SSJ3 (Buu Saga) would obliterate Majin Vegetta (Buu Saga). We see a similar battle in DBGT, with Kid Goku SSJ3 fighting (and probably defeating) Bebi Vegetta). But Kid Goku SSJ3 (Bebi Saga), even though it was stronger than adult Goku SSJ3 (Buu Saga) would still be not much of a threat to Super Buu w/Gotenks, which Mystic Gohan could equally match or even defeat. Since Majin Uub was at about Kid Goku SSJ3's level, I believe Mystic Gohan (Buu Saga) would defeat Majuub (Bebi Saga), if only by a little. But then again, both Mystic Gohan and Majin Uub cannot be judged by standard means. I mean, Majin Uub could turn Mystic Gohan into chocolate and eat him! Also, even though it was not stated in DBGT, I strongly believe Majin Uub had some other of Buu's magical properties as well. On the other hand, in the DBGT Tenkaichi Budokai we see Majin Uub going "all out" against Mr Satan, resulting in severe injuries. Chibi Trunks using no more than 50% of his full power knocked Mr Satan out of the ring with one punch. Mystic Gohan could probably turn Mr Satan to dust by simply thinking of it. But Majin Uub unleashed his full power and Mr Satan did not even lose consciousness. Weird things... Damn that DBGT logic!

The Mighty Goku · 10-04-2006

And how come Syn Shenron can't be stronger than Gohan Buu by canon logic, is there any rule stating that it is impossible for any future villian to be stronger than Gohan Buu.
No, stop posting this rubbish when you don't know what you are talking about.

DBAF Killer · 10-04-2006

Majin Uub would win. Mystic Gohan is nothing compare with the power and strength of GT's Uub, Goku and Vegeta.

**JAIF** · 10-04-2006

The problem with Super Buu etc isn't that they are SO much excessively strong (Ultimate Gohan could defeat him in any form, probably even Super Gotenks 3, let alone Vegetto), it is that it has the ability to regenerate, to turn enemies into food and consume them and to absorb other characters' properties. In my opinion, Syn Shenron (even Omega Shenron) could be defeated and killed by "conventional" methods (such as a Big Bang Kamehameha), but Super Buu required that his ki energy would be wiped out completely, otherwise he would simply regenerate (like a stronger version of Cell). For that, the combined energies of the entire world in a single Genki Dama were required, or an aura that strong that it would totally exterminate Buu's aura, like the SSJ3 aura. IMO, if a full-powered SSJ3 had enough energy to wipe out Buu's aura, there is no way that Syn Shenron, who was perhaps stronger than SSJ4, could be weaker than Buu, even Buu w/Gohan. It doesn't have anything to do with non-canon logic. Probably Majin Buu w/Gohan is stronger (by canon logic) than most DBGT villains (including Bebi Vegetta, Hell Fighter 17, and most of the evil dragons), but he can't be as powerful as Syn Shenron, and I think he is weaker than Nova and Eis Shenron as well, whose power rivaled the SSJ4. There is no rule stating that a villain can be more powerful than anyone in the future, on the contrary, it is logical to assume that "super" villains get stronger as the series proceed. Now that I have made that clear, on the topic: Bebi Vegetta, who definately was no stronger than Super Buu w/Gotenks (Kid Goku SSJ3 definately had a chance against him, whereas Super Buu w/Gotenks could wipe the floor with SSJ3 Goku, even after the training that Goku underwent between Z and GT), was almost equal in strenght with Majin Uub. Ultimate Gohan, however, was on equal terms with Majin Buu w/Gotenks. That leads us to the fact that I stated in my previous quote: Ultimate Gohan would be stronger than Majin Uub. However, battles are not determined by strenght alone. Majin Uub could win if he could transform Ultimate Gohan into a candy...

07-11-2006	#46 (permalink)
JerrodDRagon (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: TO Posts: 2,722 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 7	Re: Majin Uub vs. Mystic Gohan In Toei's fake Plot world Majin ubb would win But in the DBZ real world Gohan would kill him, so thats all that matters so Gohan wins. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/jerroddragon89 ^Request me as a Friend and Well Chat it up (just put on the request MFG, so I know its not spam)

07-11-2006	#48 (permalink)
JerrodDRagon (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: TO Posts: 2,722 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 7	Re: Majin Uub vs. Mystic Gohan ^like I said in my post there are 2 ways to look at it the Toei way or what would have really happened which is Majin ubb would have got owned, but lets not go into the whole Syn and SS4 Goku power levels in this thread. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/jerroddragon89 ^Request me as a Friend and Well Chat it up (just put on the request MFG, so I know its not spam)

07-11-2006	#49 (permalink)
SS2 Vegeto Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In God's Hands Posts: 9,396 Rep Power: 37	Re: Majin Uub vs. Mystic Gohan I'd rather contradict Toei's logic than Toriyama's, when they conflict. It's logically impossible that Syn Shenron could be stronger than Gohan Buu, by canon logic. __________________

07-12-2006	#51 (permalink)
JerrodDRagon (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: TO Posts: 2,722 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 7	Re: Majin Uub vs. Mystic Gohan Yeah but Gt made everything -removed- Goku was stronger than Gohan, Vegeta is weak its all -removed-. Please keep the TOS in mind when you post. -The Chibi Kiriyama __________________ http://www.myspace.com/jerroddragon89 ^Request me as a Friend and Well Chat it up (just put on the request MFG, so I know its not spam)

07-25-2006	#53 (permalink)
Gogeta the Super Fusion (15) Super Namekian Join Date: May 2006 Location: RIGHT ABOVE YOU!! BWAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAH!! Posts: 474 Rep Power: 0	Re: Majin Uub vs. Mystic Gohan I say Ultimate Gohan. He's stronger than Super Buu which is equal to Majin Uub. Gohan>>>Majin Uub. {Plus Majin Uub has bad aim. Gohan has more skill and faster.

10-03-2006	#55 (permalink)
JAIF Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Piercing the Heavens and stuff. Posts: 5,842 Rep Power: 60	Re: Majin Uub vs. Mystic Gohan That's one of the most interesting and debatable topics I have ever encountered. Here is my opinion: Before Uub merged with Mr Buu, he was at most as powerful as Kid Goku SSJ1. Remember, Goku is a full Saiyan, and Uub a full human. Even though Uub is super-powerful, he could not have excheeded Super Saiyan Goku, because Goku didn't stop training. When Uub merged with Mr Buu, he multiplied his overall power so much that he was stronger than Kid Goku SSJ2, who wouldn't stand a chance against Bebi-Vegetta, almost as strong as Kid Goku SSJ3. Son Gohan, with his potential awakened, could easily wipe Super Buu out, probably even Super Buu w/Gotenks if he was at full strenght, a feat Goku SSJ3 (Buu Saga) could not achieve. But Goku became much stronger over the course of GT, so that Kid Goku SSJ2 (Bebi Saga) was probably as strong as adult Goku SSJ3 (Buu Saga). What makes me say that? Adult Goku SSJ3 (Buu Saga) would obliterate Majin Vegetta (Buu Saga). We see a similar battle in DBGT, with Kid Goku SSJ3 fighting (and probably defeating) Bebi Vegetta). But Kid Goku SSJ3 (Bebi Saga), even though it was stronger than adult Goku SSJ3 (Buu Saga) would still be not much of a threat to Super Buu w/Gotenks, which Mystic Gohan could equally match or even defeat. Since Majin Uub was at about Kid Goku SSJ3's level, I believe Mystic Gohan (Buu Saga) would defeat Majuub (Bebi Saga), if only by a little. But then again, both Mystic Gohan and Majin Uub cannot be judged by standard means. I mean, Majin Uub could turn Mystic Gohan into chocolate and eat him! Also, even though it was not stated in DBGT, I strongly believe Majin Uub had some other of Buu's magical properties as well. On the other hand, in the DBGT Tenkaichi Budokai we see Majin Uub going "all out" against Mr Satan, resulting in severe injuries. Chibi Trunks using no more than 50% of his full power knocked Mr Satan out of the ring with one punch. Mystic Gohan could probably turn Mr Satan to dust by simply thinking of it. But Majin Uub unleashed his full power and Mr Satan did not even lose consciousness. Weird things... Damn that DBGT logic! __________________ Empty until further notice.

10-04-2006	#56 (permalink)
The Mighty Goku (9) Namekian Warrior Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 100 Rep Power: 3	Re: Majin Uub vs. Mystic Gohan And how come Syn Shenron can't be stronger than Gohan Buu by canon logic, is there any rule stating that it is impossible for any future villian to be stronger than Gohan Buu. No, stop posting this rubbish when you don't know what you are talking about.

10-04-2006	#57 (permalink)
DBAF Killer (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,619 Rep Power: 6	Re: Majin Uub vs. Mystic Gohan Majin Uub would win. Mystic Gohan is nothing compare with the power and strength of GT's Uub, Goku and Vegeta.

10-04-2006	#58 (permalink)
JAIF Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Piercing the Heavens and stuff. Posts: 5,842 Rep Power: 60	Re: Majin Uub vs. Mystic Gohan The problem with Super Buu etc isn't that they are SO much excessively strong (Ultimate Gohan could defeat him in any form, probably even Super Gotenks 3, let alone Vegetto), it is that it has the ability to regenerate, to turn enemies into food and consume them and to absorb other characters' properties. In my opinion, Syn Shenron (even Omega Shenron) could be defeated and killed by "conventional" methods (such as a Big Bang Kamehameha), but Super Buu required that his ki energy would be wiped out completely, otherwise he would simply regenerate (like a stronger version of Cell). For that, the combined energies of the entire world in a single Genki Dama were required, or an aura that strong that it would totally exterminate Buu's aura, like the SSJ3 aura. IMO, if a full-powered SSJ3 had enough energy to wipe out Buu's aura, there is no way that Syn Shenron, who was perhaps stronger than SSJ4, could be weaker than Buu, even Buu w/Gohan. It doesn't have anything to do with non-canon logic. Probably Majin Buu w/Gohan is stronger (by canon logic) than most DBGT villains (including Bebi Vegetta, Hell Fighter 17, and most of the evil dragons), but he can't be as powerful as Syn Shenron, and I think he is weaker than Nova and Eis Shenron as well, whose power rivaled the SSJ4. There is no rule stating that a villain can be more powerful than anyone in the future, on the contrary, it is logical to assume that "super" villains get stronger as the series proceed. Now that I have made that clear, on the topic: Bebi Vegetta, who definately was no stronger than Super Buu w/Gotenks (Kid Goku SSJ3 definately had a chance against him, whereas Super Buu w/Gotenks could wipe the floor with SSJ3 Goku, even after the training that Goku underwent between Z and GT), was almost equal in strenght with Majin Uub. Ultimate Gohan, however, was on equal terms with Majin Buu w/Gotenks. That leads us to the fact that I stated in my previous quote: Ultimate Gohan would be stronger than Majin Uub. However, battles are not determined by strenght alone. Majin Uub could win if he could transform Ultimate Gohan into a candy... __________________ Empty until further notice.