Evil Vegeta

Freeza does state that "He's grown more powerful", but there is no real guarantee that he really is. Especially, if he had doubts about being able to deal with Goku without his father helping him.

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Son_Goku

A super saiya-jin considerably weaker than the one Freeza fought on Namek.

Nikushimi

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I phail.
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Zer0

Ahem

So what does that tell us?

SSj Gokuu (Post-Training)>>>SSj Gokuu (Post-Training, Heart Virus Starting to Take Effect)>>>SSj Gokuu (Return to Earth)>>>SSj Gokuu (Namek Arc)

Son_Goku

Sorry, I meant to say that the one Freeza fought on Namek is considerably weaker than SSJ Goku from the Android Arc.

Otherwise I'd be contradicting my point

I've said on many occasions that people underrate the Androids...

SRP76

The Goku that Android 19 beat (after boosting his power by absorbing a Kamehameha wave) was far weaker than he was on Namek. He couldn't have been able to access more than 1/10th of his true power. If you've ever had a heart attack, you know that it takes ALL your strength.

Notice how Vegeta and Piccolo interact before, during, and after the battle against Androids 17 and 18? It's quite clear that Vegeta is far stronger than Piccolo.

It's said that Vegeta MIGHT be stronger than Goku. It isn't clear. So, Vegeta >= Goku.

Since Vegeta is far more powerful than Piccolo, and Goku is somewhere near Vegeta, then Goku >>> Piccolo.

Piccolo owned Android 20. Piccolo >>> Android 20 (most powerful).

Android 20 gained considerable power after absorbing Piccolo's energy. Android 20 (after absorbing Piccolo's energy) >> Android 20 (before).

So far, we have Goku >>> Piccolo >>> Android 20 (after absorbing Piccolo's energy) >> Android 20 (before).

But wait, there's more. Before attacking Piccolo, Android 20 got yet another substantial boost, when he absorbed Vegeta's energy attack. Android 20 (after absorbing Vegeta's attack) >> Android 20 (before running away).

That leaves us with Goku >>> Piccolo >>> Android 20 (after draining Piccolo) >> Android 20 (after absorbing Vegeta's attack) >> Android 20 (before running away).

Android 20 claimed to be more powerful than Android 19. Android 20 > Android 19.

It just so happens that he knows that 19 got stronger after draining Goku, just before Vegeta appeared. Android 19 (when Vegeta appears) >> Android 19 (fighting Goku)

Now, we have a long chain:

Goku >>> Piccolo >>> Android 20 (after draining Piccolo) >> Android 20 (after absorbing Vegeta's attack) >> Android 20 (before running) > Android 19 (after draining Goku) >> Android 19

And Android 19 had also gained power by absorbing the Kamehameha. Android 19 (after draining Goku) >> Android 19 (after absorbing Kamehameha).

That's the one that beat Goku like a girl.

Android 19 (after Kamehameha) >> Goku.

Here's the final tally:

Goku >>> Piccolo >>> Android 20 (after Piccolo's energy) >> Android 20 (after Vegeta's attack) >> Android 20 > Android 19 (after draining Goku) >> Android 19 (after Kamehameha) >> Goku.

Taking out the middlemen, you get:

Healthy Goku >>> >>> >> >> > >> >> Sick Goku.

That's not a small gap. That's a huge gulf the size of the Pacific ocean. He wasn't using even a fraction of his normal, healthy max power level.

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......and I typed all that, just to say that "I think Frieza would beat android 19".

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Cableguy15

I can't see why anyone would think #'s 19 and 20 even break 100 million, or Piccolo for that matter......

Is it because of what Krillin said about Piccolo being comparabe to a SSJ? Well take a look at how Vegeta smirks at Krillin like he's a complete idiot for saying that. Maybe if it was coming from a more reliable source than Krillin it would be believable.

Also, let's just think about how ridiculous it is for Piccolo to go from the low millions (No higher than 4 million) to what some people are claiming is in the 200 millions in only 3 years..... I think 100 million would even be pushing it. Let's just say though, that Piccolo was at 3 million by the Trunks saga (Not necessarily true, just a number), he would have to multiply his power by over 34x to break 100 million, 67x to break 200 million. That's an extremely unrealistic, even for a saiyan, and Piccolo is a Namek, who can only keep up with the saiyans using fusion most of the time.

So I say Frieza has an easy time with #19, it might be closer if it was 50%

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Broly

Krillen has a pretty good snese for power levels n all. He knew Trunks was holding back power when Vegeta and even Cell didn't know. I think that's reliable enough to say he knows what he's talking about when he says Piccolo is close to Super Saiyan power. Piccolo is shown fighting with SSj Goku during the 3 year time period in the manga. The only way that he could keep up with a Super Saiyan is if he was around 140-150,000,000...and that's minimum considering at that point in time Goku was just about over the 200 million range.

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Evil Vegeta

Now, Piccolo is a much better fighter then Gohan at that point, but he was shown fighting with Goku as well. After three years of training, Gohan should have gotten much stronger as well. Yet, Piccolo didn't want him to fight.

I also think it's crazy to put Piccolo in the hundred millions. How can he gain that much power in three years? He's doesn't have the ability to get zenkai's or power-up like the Saiyans. Piccolo would be good with that level if he trained in the rosat for three years, probably. I think the Krillin statement was also exagerrated, and it's not like he directly said Piccolo has Super Saiyan Power. Maybe, Piccolo powered-up more then Krillin expected or something. I doubt Piccolo could beat any of the Super Saiyans at that point.

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Meta-Cooler

Freeza is a warrior , he fight versus Goku SSj until the end!!!!
Android 19 scape after Vegeta SSj attack!!!
And do you think that Android 19 can survive the Namek explocion???

king omega

19 is not as good of a fighter as Freeza, he can absorb ki and is fairly strong but lacks any real strategy or strength.
Freeza is a warrior and is always determined to win.
Plus he has more battle experience.

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Broly

Be that as it may seem, 19 has data on Freeza, has a ki absorption ability, and feels no pain. I agree that he isn't as strong as his 100%, but I think he could take his 75 or 80%.

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king omega

He has data on Mecha Frieza who is slightly different from normal Freeza.
Plus Mecha Frieza did not show a lot of moves when he fought err tried to fight Trunks.
He could definatly take on 75% or 80% though.

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Broly

Cyborg Freeza and Freeza are essentially the same.

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