Son Goku vs Son Gohan - Page 5

**LegendarySSJ7** · 08-19-2006

If we're going to contemplate about Gohan's 'potential', then this thread would be a far more apposite choice for such. Please keep on-topic in intirety - Goku vs. Gohan, which still leaves me pulling out a blank regarding the original poster's intentions regarding which Gohan we're going to pit against which Goku.

But, feel free to carry on.

The Mighty Goku · 08-20-2006

[quote user="Mechanical"] Well, then there is a big plothole there. Sayians have infinite potential and the holly water brought Goku to his limits (which he does not have, because Sayains' have infinite potential).
Regarding this and as Goku is a full-blooded Sayain and he drank the holly water, when he faced Raditz he could beat him in no-time, he could even beat Majin Buu at that time.
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You are mistaken my friend. Thats what KORIN THOUGHT. He did not know that Goku was a saiyan and that he had infinite potential. So any normal human would have been brought to the peak. But Goku is a saiyan, and has infinite potential (STATED). not to mention he was the only one that survived the Holy Water.
It is clearly stated, so any argument towards that is clearly just blunt. So Goku can surpass Ultiamte Gohan.

JerrodDRagon · 08-20-2006

^can but didn't, and he wont, Untill after death! But in the DBZ world where it counts Gohan is the strongest non fused/absobed character!

V3g3t0 · 08-20-2006

[quote user="JerrodDRagon"]^can but didn't, and he wont, Untill after death! But in the DBZ world where it counts Gohan is the strongest non fused/absobed character![/quote]

Eventough I belive he is the strongest in the Buu saga who says that he can'1 ? or that he won't until after death ? By the end of DBZ , ten years later , even if Gohan was the strongest in the Buu Saga (Which he wasn't) Goku most certainly has surpassed him .

Mechanical · 08-20-2006

Gohan's potential was FULLY unlocked. It would take more than 10 years for Goku to surpass his son.

V3g3t0 · 08-20-2006

[quote user="Mechanical"]Gohan's potential was FULLY unlocked. It would take more than 10 years for Goku to surpass his son.[/quote]

Says who ? First of all I belive SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Mystic Gohan but even if he isn't ( eventough he is) Goku can certainly surpass him in 10 years .

The Mighty Goku · 08-21-2006

[quote user="Mechanical"]Gohan's potential was FULLY unlocked. It would take more than 10 years for Goku to surpass his son.[/quote]
Nope. His Latent Power was unlocked...you've got the idea right, but it was not his POTENTIAL.
V3g3to has proven that Full Blooded Saiyans have INFINITE potential....but we don't know about Hybrids...because they do have that human blood.

The Timeline from the beginning of the Raditz Saga to the End Of Z takes up roughly 23 years...ALMOST HALF OF THAT TIME IS SPENT IN THE TIME BETWEEN BUU AND THE ARRIVAL OF UUB.
Seeing as how Goku went from a powerlevel of 416 to a power level of IN THE BILLIONS in 13 years. 10 years would make him alot stronger as well.....Gohan did not train for 10 years, that much can be certain. He did not join the Tenkaichi Budokai, and he was even wearing a suit. He has settled down with a PHD and has formed a family...he has followed ChiChi's dream.
Every Saiyan or Hybrid is different.....
Most Gifted Fighter/Most Skilled Martial Artist - GOKU
Greatest Hidden/Latent Power - Gohan
Fastest Gainer - Goten/Trunks
Most Ruthless - Vegeta
Most Annoying - Pan

JerrodDRagon · 08-21-2006

ok how do I put this umm your wrong, Goku is no were near Gohans power at the end of Z
1) What type of trainign could he have done on Earth that would have made him so strong?
2) Goku SS3 could not even beat kid buu by HIMSELF!!!! While Gohan could take on Piccolo buu!
3) Gohan can stay at his full power for a long time, while we saw Goku as SS3 fighting buu for a short time becuase Goku's body has limites.
4) If goku was stronger than Gohan why did the old kia not just send Goku to kill super bu?
5) If goku was the stronger fighter at the buu saga why did buu absorb Gohan and not goku?
So there Goku is not number one fighter in Z Gohan is (note Gohan is the strongest non fused/absorbed character in Z)

V3g3t0 · 08-21-2006

[quote user="JerrodDRagon"] ok how do I put this umm your wrong, Goku is no were near Gohans power at the end of Z
1) What type of trainign could he have done on Earth that would have made him so strong?
2) Goku SS3 could not even beat kid buu by HIMSELF!!!! While Gohan could take on Piccolo buu!
3) Gohan can stay at his full power for a long time, while we saw Goku as SS3 fighting buu for a short time becuase Goku's body has limites.
4) If goku was stronger than Gohan why did the old kia not just send Goku to kill super bu?
5) If goku was the stronger fighter at the buu saga why did buu absorb Gohan and not goku?
So there Goku is not number one fighter in Z Gohan is (note Gohan is the strongest non fused/absorbed character in Z)
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1.The same type of training he did in otherworld . WIth Gravity Machine & Weights
2.Who says Piccolo Buu is stronger than Kid Buu ? If you want let's start a debate .
3.Since Goku is stronger that limit doesn't matter because he can destroy Gohan quickly . And by the end of DBZ Goku most certainly mastered SSJ3 and can hold it as long as he wants .
4.Because Goku was dead and it had no point sending him if Gohan can do it also , while Gohan was alive . And the Old Kai made that ritual on Gohan because he was the one that freed him from the Z sword .
5.The same reason he absorbed Gotenks instead of Gohan . To fight the strongest fighter . lol With this point you helped my argument .
Goku is number 1 in the Buu saga - Even Vegeta states it - and he is certainly Nr 1 at the end of DBZ .

JerrodDRagon · 08-21-2006

1) No proof of that is ever shown, all we see is goku fighting Gotens for fun..
[2) Umm I do with about 95% of the rest of the site...but heres the proof
a) kid buu is just kid buu with no one inside him
b) Piccolo buu is kid buu+2 kia+Trunks (base)+Gotens+(base)+Piccolo(base)
c) so if you want to tell me that the first form of buu is stronger than a buu with 5 warriors then you need alot of proof....]
3) Once again you got proof that goku has mastered SS3??? Even in GT he had not mastered SS3????
4) THEY WERE TAKING BUU SERIOUSLY, you dont take chances you send your strongest warrior, and it was gohan...
5) is that in the manga or on the TV show???

The Chibi Kiriyama · 08-21-2006

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1.The same type of training he did in otherworld . WIth Gravity Machine & Weights

He never did 'gravity training' in the afterlife, as there was no gravity available that is shown to surpass 10G. As for the weights, the only time he experiences anything that even makes the Super Saiyan transformation useful is when the weights are increased through magical means.

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2.Who says Piccolo Buu is stronger than Kid Buu ? If you want let's start a debate .

The original Majin Buu is devoid of absorptions. The fat Majin Buu is never stated to be weaker, just more pliable. Buu (Piccolo Prime) is a length of distance away from the fat Majin Buu. Simple logic shows where everyone lies in this order. If you want to debate this, feel free to do so...in the proper thread.

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3.Since Goku is stronger that limit doesn't matter because he can destroy Gohan quickly . And by the end of DBZ Goku most certainly mastered SSJ3 and can hold it as long as he wants .

...And this proves that he's stronger? There's a difference between sustaining a form and actually being stronger, and there is no statement that the mastery of SS3 works like the mastery of SS.

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Goku is number 1 in the Buu saga - Even Vegeta states it - and he is certainly Nr 1 at the end of DBZ .

The only medium that says he's No. 1 is the anime; in the kanji of the Tankobon he calls him the champion. There's a difference between the romanji the anime uses in his speech and the kanji used in the manga.

The Mighty Goku · 08-21-2006

[quote user="JerrodDRagon"] 1) No proof of that is ever shown, all we see is goku fighting Gotens for fun..
[2) Umm I do with about 95% of the rest of the site...but heres the proof
a) kid buu is just kid buu with no one inside him
b) Piccolo buu is kid buu+2 kia+Trunks (base)+Gotens+(base)+Piccolo(base)
c) so if you want to tell me that the first form of buu is stronger than a buu with 5 warriors then you need alot of proof....]
3) Once again you got proof that goku has mastered SS3??? Even in GT he had not mastered SS3????
4) THEY WERE TAKING BUU SERIOUSLY, you dont take chances you send your strongest warrior, and it was gohan...
5) is that in the manga or on the TV show???

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1. WRONG. After Buu is killed, Goku states that he will train and push his body even farther. And at the End Of Z, Bulma STATES that she has not seen Goku since he is always GONE training.
2. Piccolo Buu is stronger than Kid Buu, that I agree with.
a) Kid Buu is Buu unrestrained and untainted by anyone else, therefore he is the most Dangerous Buu...not strongest, but dangerous.
b) Piccolo Buu is Super Buu + Base Trunks + Base Goten + Piccolo
c) You mean 3 warriors.
3) 10 years is alot of time, he mastered SSJ in 1 year, 10 years would allow him to master it and become even stronger, he had mastered it in GT, but being a child made the strain even harder on his body. Actually, he controlled it better as a child in GT than in the Buu Saga in Z. So if he was an adult in GT then he would be able to control it much better.
4) Gohan was alive. Goku was dead. They sent Gohan because he was alive, Elder Kai was not about to sacrafice his life and give it to Goku if they had another warrior who was alive capable of the job. Don't forget that Elder Kai started the ritual on Gohan while Fat Buu was still around. But he picked GOhan because Gohan was alive, and because Gohan freed Elder Kai from the Z-sword.
5) In the Manga.

JerrodDRagon · 08-22-2006

I dont have to since The Chibi Kiriyama did it for me but I'll do it anyway becuase your just not getting it..
1) Ok just becuase he trains does not mean he can master something.....Goku never states in the manga or Anime he mastered SS3 so he did not..
2) kid buu would lose to Super buu no matter how untamed he is
No like I said Piccolo buu is kid buu+ 2 kai's + trunks, Piccolo and Goten.
5 warriors
3) not the same thing SS3 and SS1 are different... and Goku as a kid could only be SS3 for less time than the one at the end of Z so no.......
4) NO!!! If he thought Goku could do it he would have sent him since he would haqve deid anyway whne buu would find him...
5) Read The Chibi Kiriyama post...

The Mighty Goku · 08-22-2006

[quote user="JerrodDRagon"] I dont have to since The Chibi Kiriyama did it for me but I'll do it anyway becuase your just not getting it..
1) Ok just becuase he trains does not mean he can master something.....Goku never states in the manga or Anime he mastered SS3 so he did not..
2) kid buu would lose to Super buu no matter how untamed he is
No like I said Piccolo buu is kid buu+ 2 kai's + trunks, Piccolo and Goten.
5 warriors
3) not the same thing SS3 and SS1 are different... and Goku as a kid could only be SS3 for less time than the one at the end of Z so no.......
4) NO!!! If he thought Goku could do it he would have sent him since he would haqve deid anyway whne buu would find him...
5) Read The Chibi Kiriyama post...
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Chibi Kiriyama's post is direct toward someone else, with different points about the topic, it has nothing to do with what we are debating. And don't tell me I am not getting it....
1. He never states that he masters SSJ2, but we know he still did. Well....in order to master something you have to train. Thats just basic one plus one right there.
2. If you read my post thoroughly, which you did not, you would have seen that I agree that Piccolo Buu is stronger than Kid Buu, is just that Kid Buu is more dangerous.
3. So, they are different, so are SSJ and SSJ2, yet Goku masters both in the same fashion. One is just a higher level than the other, therefore one takes more training to master. And Kid Goku in GT STATES that he could hold SS3 better than he could back against Buu. And Goku did not even transform into a SSJ3 at the End Of Z. And in order for Goku too get an incredible boost in power, he must have been able to control the form much better.
4. WHAT. Buu couldn't find him because Super Buu does not have Instant Transmission, only Kid Buu does. So there goes your whole statement....He picked Gohan becasue Gohan was ALIVE, and because Gohan freed Elder Kai from the Z-Sword. How much of a waste would it have been if he did the ritual to Goku, and Goku gained incredible power....but Goku couldn't get to earth cuz he was dead.
5. I did, and it has nothing to do with our discussion, only a few points here and there.

JerrodDRagon · 08-23-2006

sorry but you guys need a pic up so I can tell you two apart....
1) When Goku Mastered SS1 he could stay it for days, He never did that as a ss2 or ss3 and if you cant prove it it means he never did..
2) The smarter and stronger buu (super buu) is more dangerous that the crazy one....
3) I ment when he fought kid buu (at the end of Z)
4) Look lets just say the strongest guy in the worl was looked in another world someone coul dlet him out but they deside not to and send the second strongest...Does that make any Sense at ALL! NO YOU SEND THE STRONGEST WARRIOR!! I dont care if you trained the other one it makes no Sense you dont mess around when trillions of creatures lives are on the line.
5) I need a manga scan or else I think its from the anime..

08-19-2006	#61 (permalink)
LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,736 Rep Power: 48	Re: Son Goku vs Son Gohan If we're going to contemplate about Gohan's 'potential', then this thread would be a far more apposite choice for such. Please keep on-topic in intirety - Goku vs. Gohan, which still leaves me pulling out a blank regarding the original poster's intentions regarding which Gohan we're going to pit against which Goku. But, feel free to carry on. __________________

08-20-2006	#62 (permalink)
The Mighty Goku (9) Namekian Warrior Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 100 Rep Power: 3	Re: Son Goku vs Son Gohan [quote user="Mechanical"] Well, then there is a big plothole there. Sayians have infinite potential and the holly water brought Goku to his limits (which he does not have, because Sayains' have infinite potential). Regarding this and as Goku is a full-blooded Sayain and he drank the holly water, when he faced Raditz he could beat him in no-time, he could even beat Majin Buu at that time. [/quote] You are mistaken my friend. Thats what KORIN THOUGHT. He did not know that Goku was a saiyan and that he had infinite potential. So any normal human would have been brought to the peak. But Goku is a saiyan, and has infinite potential (STATED). not to mention he was the only one that survived the Holy Water. It is clearly stated, so any argument towards that is clearly just blunt. So Goku can surpass Ultiamte Gohan.

08-20-2006	#63 (permalink)
JerrodDRagon (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: TO Posts: 2,722 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 7	Re: Son Goku vs Son Gohan ^can but didn't, and he wont, Untill after death! But in the DBZ world where it counts Gohan is the strongest non fused/absobed character! __________________ http://www.myspace.com/jerroddragon89 ^Request me as a Friend and Well Chat it up (just put on the request MFG, so I know its not spam)

08-20-2006	#64 (permalink)
V3g3t0 (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 223 Rep Power: 3	Re: Son Goku vs Son Gohan [quote user="JerrodDRagon"]^can but didn't, and he wont, Untill after death! But in the DBZ world where it counts Gohan is the strongest non fused/absobed character![/quote] Eventough I belive he is the strongest in the Buu saga who says that he can'1 ? or that he won't until after death ? By the end of DBZ , ten years later , even if Gohan was the strongest in the Buu Saga (Which he wasn't) Goku most certainly has surpassed him .

08-20-2006	#65 (permalink)
Mechanical (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 760 Rep Power: 5	Re: Son Goku vs Son Gohan Gohan's potential was FULLY unlocked. It would take more than 10 years for Goku to surpass his son.

08-20-2006	#66 (permalink)
V3g3t0 (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 223 Rep Power: 3	Re: Son Goku vs Son Gohan [quote user="Mechanical"]Gohan's potential was FULLY unlocked. It would take more than 10 years for Goku to surpass his son.[/quote] Says who ? First of all I belive SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Mystic Gohan but even if he isn't ( eventough he is) Goku can certainly surpass him in 10 years .

08-21-2006	#67 (permalink)
The Mighty Goku (9) Namekian Warrior Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 100 Rep Power: 3	Re: Son Goku vs Son Gohan [quote user="Mechanical"]Gohan's potential was FULLY unlocked. It would take more than 10 years for Goku to surpass his son.[/quote] Nope. His Latent Power was unlocked...you've got the idea right, but it was not his POTENTIAL. V3g3to has proven that Full Blooded Saiyans have INFINITE potential....but we don't know about Hybrids...because they do have that human blood. The Timeline from the beginning of the Raditz Saga to the End Of Z takes up roughly 23 years...ALMOST HALF OF THAT TIME IS SPENT IN THE TIME BETWEEN BUU AND THE ARRIVAL OF UUB. Seeing as how Goku went from a powerlevel of 416 to a power level of IN THE BILLIONS in 13 years. 10 years would make him alot stronger as well.....Gohan did not train for 10 years, that much can be certain. He did not join the Tenkaichi Budokai, and he was even wearing a suit. He has settled down with a PHD and has formed a family...he has followed ChiChi's dream. Every Saiyan or Hybrid is different..... Most Gifted Fighter/Most Skilled Martial Artist - GOKU Greatest Hidden/Latent Power - Gohan Fastest Gainer - Goten/Trunks Most Ruthless - Vegeta Most Annoying - Pan

08-21-2006	#68 (permalink)
JerrodDRagon (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: TO Posts: 2,722 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 7	Re: Son Goku vs Son Gohan ok how do I put this umm your wrong, Goku is no were near Gohans power at the end of Z 1) What type of trainign could he have done on Earth that would have made him so strong? 2) Goku SS3 could not even beat kid buu by HIMSELF!!!! While Gohan could take on Piccolo buu! 3) Gohan can stay at his full power for a long time, while we saw Goku as SS3 fighting buu for a short time becuase Goku's body has limites. 4) If goku was stronger than Gohan why did the old kia not just send Goku to kill super bu? 5) If goku was the stronger fighter at the buu saga why did buu absorb Gohan and not goku? So there Goku is not number one fighter in Z Gohan is (note Gohan is the strongest non fused/absorbed character in Z) __________________ http://www.myspace.com/jerroddragon89 ^Request me as a Friend and Well Chat it up (just put on the request MFG, so I know its not spam)

08-21-2006	#69 (permalink)
V3g3t0 (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 223 Rep Power: 3	Re: Son Goku vs Son Gohan [quote user="JerrodDRagon"] ok how do I put this umm your wrong, Goku is no were near Gohans power at the end of Z 1) What type of trainign could he have done on Earth that would have made him so strong? 2) Goku SS3 could not even beat kid buu by HIMSELF!!!! While Gohan could take on Piccolo buu! 3) Gohan can stay at his full power for a long time, while we saw Goku as SS3 fighting buu for a short time becuase Goku's body has limites. 4) If goku was stronger than Gohan why did the old kia not just send Goku to kill super bu? 5) If goku was the stronger fighter at the buu saga why did buu absorb Gohan and not goku? So there Goku is not number one fighter in Z Gohan is (note Gohan is the strongest non fused/absorbed character in Z) [/quote] 1.The same type of training he did in otherworld . WIth Gravity Machine & Weights 2.Who says Piccolo Buu is stronger than Kid Buu ? If you want let's start a debate . 3.Since Goku is stronger that limit doesn't matter because he can destroy Gohan quickly . And by the end of DBZ Goku most certainly mastered SSJ3 and can hold it as long as he wants . 4.Because Goku was dead and it had no point sending him if Gohan can do it also , while Gohan was alive . And the Old Kai made that ritual on Gohan because he was the one that freed him from the Z sword . 5.The same reason he absorbed Gotenks instead of Gohan . To fight the strongest fighter . lol With this point you helped my argument . Goku is number 1 in the Buu saga - Even Vegeta states it - and he is certainly Nr 1 at the end of DBZ .

08-21-2006	#70 (permalink)
JerrodDRagon (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: TO Posts: 2,722 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 7	Re: Son Goku vs Son Gohan 1) No proof of that is ever shown, all we see is goku fighting Gotens for fun.. [2) Umm I do with about 95% of the rest of the site...but heres the proof a) kid buu is just kid buu with no one inside him b) Piccolo buu is kid buu+2 kia+Trunks (base)+Gotens+(base)+Piccolo(base) c) so if you want to tell me that the first form of buu is stronger than a buu with 5 warriors then you need alot of proof....] 3) Once again you got proof that goku has mastered SS3??? Even in GT he had not mastered SS3???? 4) THEY WERE TAKING BUU SERIOUSLY, you dont take chances you send your strongest warrior, and it was gohan... 5) is that in the manga or on the TV show??? __________________ http://www.myspace.com/jerroddragon89 ^Request me as a Friend and Well Chat it up (just put on the request MFG, so I know its not spam)

08-21-2006	#72 (permalink)
The Mighty Goku (9) Namekian Warrior Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 100 Rep Power: 3	Re: Son Goku vs Son Gohan [quote user="JerrodDRagon"] 1) No proof of that is ever shown, all we see is goku fighting Gotens for fun.. [2) Umm I do with about 95% of the rest of the site...but heres the proof a) kid buu is just kid buu with no one inside him b) Piccolo buu is kid buu+2 kia+Trunks (base)+Gotens+(base)+Piccolo(base) c) so if you want to tell me that the first form of buu is stronger than a buu with 5 warriors then you need alot of proof....] 3) Once again you got proof that goku has mastered SS3??? Even in GT he had not mastered SS3???? 4) THEY WERE TAKING BUU SERIOUSLY, you dont take chances you send your strongest warrior, and it was gohan... 5) is that in the manga or on the TV show??? [/quote] 1. WRONG. After Buu is killed, Goku states that he will train and push his body even farther. And at the End Of Z, Bulma STATES that she has not seen Goku since he is always GONE training. 2. Piccolo Buu is stronger than Kid Buu, that I agree with. a) Kid Buu is Buu unrestrained and untainted by anyone else, therefore he is the most Dangerous Buu...not strongest, but dangerous. b) Piccolo Buu is Super Buu + Base Trunks + Base Goten + Piccolo c) You mean 3 warriors. 3) 10 years is alot of time, he mastered SSJ in 1 year, 10 years would allow him to master it and become even stronger, he had mastered it in GT, but being a child made the strain even harder on his body. Actually, he controlled it better as a child in GT than in the Buu Saga in Z. So if he was an adult in GT then he would be able to control it much better. 4) Gohan was alive. Goku was dead. They sent Gohan because he was alive, Elder Kai was not about to sacrafice his life and give it to Goku if they had another warrior who was alive capable of the job. Don't forget that Elder Kai started the ritual on Gohan while Fat Buu was still around. But he picked GOhan because Gohan was alive, and because Gohan freed Elder Kai from the Z-sword. 5) In the Manga.

08-22-2006	#73 (permalink)
JerrodDRagon (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: TO Posts: 2,722 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 7	Re: Son Goku vs Son Gohan I dont have to since The Chibi Kiriyama did it for me but I'll do it anyway becuase your just not getting it.. 1) Ok just becuase he trains does not mean he can master something.....Goku never states in the manga or Anime he mastered SS3 so he did not.. 2) kid buu would lose to Super buu no matter how untamed he is No like I said Piccolo buu is kid buu+ 2 kai's + trunks, Piccolo and Goten. 5 warriors 3) not the same thing SS3 and SS1 are different... and Goku as a kid could only be SS3 for less time than the one at the end of Z so no....... 4) NO!!! If he thought Goku could do it he would have sent him since he would haqve deid anyway whne buu would find him... 5) Read The Chibi Kiriyama post... __________________ http://www.myspace.com/jerroddragon89 ^Request me as a Friend and Well Chat it up (just put on the request MFG, so I know its not spam)

08-22-2006	#74 (permalink)
The Mighty Goku (9) Namekian Warrior Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 100 Rep Power: 3	Re: Son Goku vs Son Gohan [quote user="JerrodDRagon"] I dont have to since The Chibi Kiriyama did it for me but I'll do it anyway becuase your just not getting it.. 1) Ok just becuase he trains does not mean he can master something.....Goku never states in the manga or Anime he mastered SS3 so he did not.. 2) kid buu would lose to Super buu no matter how untamed he is No like I said Piccolo buu is kid buu+ 2 kai's + trunks, Piccolo and Goten. 5 warriors 3) not the same thing SS3 and SS1 are different... and Goku as a kid could only be SS3 for less time than the one at the end of Z so no....... 4) NO!!! If he thought Goku could do it he would have sent him since he would haqve deid anyway whne buu would find him... 5) Read The Chibi Kiriyama post... [/quote] Chibi Kiriyama's post is direct toward someone else, with different points about the topic, it has nothing to do with what we are debating. And don't tell me I am not getting it.... 1. He never states that he masters SSJ2, but we know he still did. Well....in order to master something you have to train. Thats just basic one plus one right there. 2. If you read my post thoroughly, which you did not, you would have seen that I agree that Piccolo Buu is stronger than Kid Buu, is just that Kid Buu is more dangerous. 3. So, they are different, so are SSJ and SSJ2, yet Goku masters both in the same fashion. One is just a higher level than the other, therefore one takes more training to master. And Kid Goku in GT STATES that he could hold SS3 better than he could back against Buu. And Goku did not even transform into a SSJ3 at the End Of Z. And in order for Goku too get an incredible boost in power, he must have been able to control the form much better. 4. WHAT. Buu couldn't find him because Super Buu does not have Instant Transmission, only Kid Buu does. So there goes your whole statement....He picked Gohan becasue Gohan was ALIVE, and because Gohan freed Elder Kai from the Z-Sword. How much of a waste would it have been if he did the ritual to Goku, and Goku gained incredible power....but Goku couldn't get to earth cuz he was dead. 5. I did, and it has nothing to do with our discussion, only a few points here and there.

08-23-2006	#75 (permalink)
JerrodDRagon (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: TO Posts: 2,722 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 7	Re: Son Goku vs Son Gohan sorry but you guys need a pic up so I can tell you two apart.... 1) When Goku Mastered SS1 he could stay it for days, He never did that as a ss2 or ss3 and if you cant prove it it means he never did.. 2) The smarter and stronger buu (super buu) is more dangerous that the crazy one.... 3) I ment when he fought kid buu (at the end of Z) 4) Look lets just say the strongest guy in the worl was looked in another world someone coul dlet him out but they deside not to and send the second strongest...Does that make any Sense at ALL! NO YOU SEND THE STRONGEST WARRIOR!! I dont care if you trained the other one it makes no Sense you dont mess around when trillions of creatures lives are on the line. 5) I need a manga scan or else I think its from the anime.. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/jerroddragon89 ^Request me as a Friend and Well Chat it up (just put on the request MFG, so I know its not spam)