Damaging

Chariking · 09-25-2008

Suppose someone's PL is lets say, 300,000,000. He was hit with an attack with a power of 10,750,000. Would i minus the two numbers, or will the 300,000,000 PL instantly block it?

Suppose the attack was with a force of 235,000,000. Should the injured fighter be left with only 65,000,000 power? Does it work like that? Suppose the power of the attack was more than the victim's PL? Now here lies my big question.

Was the Spirit Bomb stronger than Frieza's PL? If so, should Frieza have died? If it was weaker, shouldnt Frieza been able to block it? And about the Death Ball. Like Goku's Kamehameha was stronger than Goku himself, shouldnt Frieza's Death Ball be stronger than himself? The Spirit Bomb totally destroyed the Death Ball. Meaning was the Spirit Bomb stronger than Frieza? Then how didnt it kill him? If we're going by numbers, Frieza should have been under 0. So if it does not work by substracting, how does it work0_0 Good rep for anyone who is kind enough to explain it clearly to me.

Sesshoumaru · 09-25-2008

i think frieza survived luckly,akira wanted that to make things look like its over, and then frieza appears and kills krillin ,therefore forcing goku to transform into ssj, thats why they were shocked to see frieza managed to survive an attack much powerful than himself

Cableguy15 · 09-25-2008

-The 300,000,000 power level is much higher so they would block it effortlessly.

- It still probably wouldn't hurt them.

- Yes, it was stronger. He said himself he thought it would kill him, but the key is that it wasn't that much stronger. If it was over 1.2x stronger it would have killed him in my opinion.

Chariking · 09-25-2008

Well, thats clear but how does damaging work? Should we subtract the attack's power with the victim's power?

**Darkprince410** · 09-25-2008

No, it's nowhere near that straightforward. You have to take into account the intensity of the attack, the defense of the defender, whether or not either are at maximum when the attack takes place, the stamina of the defender, and things like that. Even then, there is no direct correlation to physical damage and the level of ki lost.

Captain America · 09-25-2008

About Freeza and the Genki Dama, Freeza probably survived due to his full power being much higher than the Genki Dama. Although Freeza was only at 50%, he should be much harder to kill than someone who's full power is equal to his 50%.

**Darkprince410** · 09-25-2008

That's where the whole "whether they were at maximum or not" that I mentioned comes into play. If their battle power at 50% is, say, twenty-five million, then they are going to take the same amount of damage they would have if their maximum battle power were twenty-five million. The amount of damage inflicted is based on what their battle power is at the moment the attack connects, not based on their maximum battle power (unless they are at maximum when they get hit).

**LegendarySSJ7** · 09-25-2008

I concur with Darkprince's sentiments. There are a great many factors that go into the damage any one combatant deals out, from limited openings, to conversion of power, to lucid expressions, to attitude.... there's also the exasperation of pulling punches. As Gohan's fight with Cell goes to show, though he said his chi was cut in half, this does not reflect the amount of power he used in the fight itself, nor does a disabled arm necessarily equal off losing half of your chi.

Captain America · 09-25-2008

I know that Freeza was effectively at 50% of his power. I think that since Freeza had basically half his ki still dormant in his body at that point it helped him survive.

Chariking · 09-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

No, it's nowhere near that straightforward. You have to take into account the intensity of the attack, the defense of the defender, whether or not either are at maximum when the attack takes place, the stamina of the defender, and things like that. Even then, there is no direct correlation to physical damage and the level of ki lost.

yeah, i figured it was more...difficult. Anyways, that did clear a lot, so heres your rep

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Originally Posted by Captain America

I know that Freeza was effectively at 50% of his power. I think that since Freeza had basically half his ki still dormant in his body at that point it helped him survive.

Oh, okay, thats reasonable, rep:)

09-25-2008	#1 (permalink)
Chariking (18) Artificial Human Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Behind you with a knife Posts: 788 Rep Power: 7	Damaging Suppose someone's PL is lets say, 300,000,000. He was hit with an attack with a power of 10,750,000. Would i minus the two numbers, or will the 300,000,000 PL instantly block it? Suppose the attack was with a force of 235,000,000. Should the injured fighter be left with only 65,000,000 power? Does it work like that? Suppose the power of the attack was more than the victim's PL? Now here lies my big question. Was the Spirit Bomb stronger than Frieza's PL? If so, should Frieza have died? If it was weaker, shouldnt Frieza been able to block it? And about the Death Ball. Like Goku's Kamehameha was stronger than Goku himself, shouldnt Frieza's Death Ball be stronger than himself? The Spirit Bomb totally destroyed the Death Ball. Meaning was the Spirit Bomb stronger than Frieza? Then how didnt it kill him? If we're going by numbers, Frieza should have been under 0. So if it does not work by substracting, how does it work0_0 Good rep for anyone who is kind enough to explain it clearly to me. __________________

09-25-2008	#2 (permalink)
Sesshoumaru (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UNKNOWN Posts: 638 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 29	Re: Damaging i think frieza survived luckly,akira wanted that to make things look like its over, and then frieza appears and kills krillin ,therefore forcing goku to transform into ssj, thats why they were shocked to see frieza managed to survive an attack much powerful than himself __________________ Don`t worry, I`ll protect you.

09-25-2008	#3 (permalink)
Cableguy15 (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,259 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 25	Re: Damaging -The 300,000,000 power level is much higher so they would block it effortlessly. - It still probably wouldn't hurt them. - Yes, it was stronger. He said himself he thought it would kill him, but the key is that it wasn't that much stronger. If it was over 1.2x stronger it would have killed him in my opinion. __________________ Cableguy's Power Levels: Saiyan Saga Cableguy's Power Levels: Namek Cableguy's Power Levels: Freeza Saga

09-25-2008	#4 (permalink)
Chariking (18) Artificial Human Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Behind you with a knife Posts: 788 Rep Power: 7	Re: Damaging Well, thats clear but how does damaging work? Should we subtract the attack's power with the victim's power? __________________

09-25-2008	#5 (permalink)
Darkprince410 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ohio, United States Posts: 2,997 Rep Power: 52	Re: Damaging No, it's nowhere near that straightforward. You have to take into account the intensity of the attack, the defense of the defender, whether or not either are at maximum when the attack takes place, the stamina of the defender, and things like that. Even then, there is no direct correlation to physical damage and the level of ki lost. __________________

09-25-2008	#6 (permalink)
Captain America (5) Crane School Disciple Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Afterlife, sadly I'm dead. Posts: 44 Rep Power: 0	Re: Damaging About Freeza and the Genki Dama, Freeza probably survived due to his full power being much higher than the Genki Dama. Although Freeza was only at 50%, he should be much harder to kill than someone who's full power is equal to his 50%.

09-25-2008	#7 (permalink)
Darkprince410 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ohio, United States Posts: 2,997 Rep Power: 52	Re: Damaging That's where the whole "whether they were at maximum or not" that I mentioned comes into play. If their battle power at 50% is, say, twenty-five million, then they are going to take the same amount of damage they would have if their maximum battle power were twenty-five million. The amount of damage inflicted is based on what their battle power is at the moment the attack connects, not based on their maximum battle power (unless they are at maximum when they get hit). __________________

09-25-2008	#8 (permalink)
LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,736 Rep Power: 48	Re: Damaging I concur with Darkprince's sentiments. There are a great many factors that go into the damage any one combatant deals out, from limited openings, to conversion of power, to lucid expressions, to attitude.... there's also the exasperation of pulling punches. As Gohan's fight with Cell goes to show, though he said his chi was cut in half, this does not reflect the amount of power he used in the fight itself, nor does a disabled arm necessarily equal off losing half of your chi. __________________

09-25-2008	#9 (permalink)
Captain America (5) Crane School Disciple Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Afterlife, sadly I'm dead. Posts: 44 Rep Power: 0	Re: Damaging I know that Freeza was effectively at 50% of his power. I think that since Freeza had basically half his ki still dormant in his body at that point it helped him survive.