King Cold? - Page 2

Tyrant · 09-25-2008

I think King Cold was at full power but it doesn't matter because he's inferior to Frieza in every way. Frieza was running the show, not Cold.

Hero · 09-25-2008

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito

Maybe he wasn't at Maximum strength but no way he had another form. He had an opportunity to transform right after Trunks killed Freeza.

Why would he bother to transform against a power level of what he thought was 5?

He thought that as long as his sword was gone, he was just another weakling. Why waste time going through, what looked to be painful, transformations?

And yes, he looked a lot more like Frieza' 2nd Form than his first form.

Evil Vegeta · 09-25-2008

After Cold saw him turn into a SSJ, he no longer thought his power was 5 at that point. He knew what a SSJ reduced Freeza to beforehand, so he would have no reason to think Trunks was as powerful as the scouter stated him to be.

Hero · 09-25-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

After Cold saw him turn into a SSJ, he no longer thought his power was 5 at that point. He knew what a SSJ reduced Freeza to beforehand, so he would have no reason to think Trunks was as powerful as the scouter stated him to be.

So then why did he act all calm instead of shitting himself?

He obviously had no idea what Trunk's power was, and proved this by thinking the sword was behind his power.

If he knew Trunks could kill him that easily, I think he would've transformed. Think about it - why would the father look nothing like the son?

Evil Vegeta · 09-25-2008

Cold knew what a SSJ did to Freeza, and when Trunks transformed, Cold noticed the fear in Freeza, so he knew he was more powerful then the scouter level. That's my overall point.

Cold doesn't have to visibly "shit" on himself for us to understand that he actually was, since he tried to offer Trunks a chance to join his regime. Cold was placing all of his hopes on the power being in the sword, and if he had the power to transform, he wouldn't have needed to use his enemies weapon to attack him. That means, Trunks sword>>>Any possible attack Cold could use.

Cold couldn't transform.

Hero · 09-25-2008

He knew he was stronger, but he obviously didn't know he was strong enough to defeat him(in that form).

And that still doesn't answer the question as to why he looked nothing like his son's true form.

Vegeta · 09-25-2008

I doubt SSj Trunks would have allowed Cold to transform even if Cold tried to, so yeah. The transformations looked like they took a certain amount of time, and Trunks wouldn't have allotted that time to Cold.

Tyrant · 09-25-2008

I stand by my belief that King Cold is nothing short of garbage since Frieza was ordering him around. Also, his transformations seem unique to him and him alone.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 09-25-2008

Quoting an old post that deals with various Freeza/King Cold things, including the resemblance between Freeza's second form and King Cold, plus the strength debate:

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Originally Posted by Chibi Mystic Gohan

Chibi's ~~nine thousand~~ two cents:

First, I don't think Cold really looks exactly like Freeza's second form. Sure, they're both really tall, and they have those horns, but that could just be what a grown up version of their species looks like.

Their horns are different, and while at first glance you'll notice that their faces are similar, notice that his face looked like that in the first two forms (and somewhat similar in the third stage). As for why he hides his true form in the first place, Vegeta says that certain creatures in the universe hide their true forms for camouflage, and to not waste energy (this is the alien equivalent to lowering your power when not fighting). Freeza's response:

"In my case, it's different... It's because I have so much excess power that even I can't control it well..."

As for King Cold's strength compared to Freeza's:

"To have made it this far... You're the first one aside from my parent(s) to have put dust on me."

This was brought up earlier. I'm assuming that this just refers to spankings, no some family battle or anything. Note that the Japanese term used, "oya," can mean either parent or parents. Freeza's race could very well reproduce asexually. Although, if he just has a father, he might as well have just said "my father."

"Th-there's another big ki that feels a lot like Freeza's...!!"

"I-it isn't just one... There's one more ridiculously huge power with him..."

Keep in mind, however, that Freeza isn't anywhere near his full power at the point these statements were made:

"F-Freeza has... that sort of... ridiculously huge ki...?"
"That's not it... He can become way, way stronger...!"

"Papa, if you and I take care of him together, we'd definitely be able to defeat him. I've also powered up. I'd probably even be able to take him myself."

(Note that he doesn't say that King Cold himself could take Goku on.)

"Unfortunately for you, it seems that you didn't also know that I have the highest power in the universe..."

This line alone seems to imply that King Cold is weaker than Freeza.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 09-25-2008

King Cold may have taken "The Super Saiyan" in earnest enough that he either a) wasn't in his power-reserving state or b) did not have the reserves to merit such. I'm going with B. He seemed rather nonchalant yet naive and dumber than bricks, and was of the impression that Trunks' sword is what killed his son and not Trunks' sheer power. That Cold offered Trunks a place beside him also goes to vindicate Trunks' superiority and Cold's fear IMO. The clans of Freeza's race are probably born in a select way, with higher and lower reserves. This may explain why neither Mecha Freeza nor Cold were in any sort of suppression whilst making their advent on Earth, besides the most apparent explanations.

But, to be more direct, I'd say Cold is much weaker. Freeza has been said to have been the strongest in the universe for a reason.

Dupe of USSJed · 09-25-2008

Ok, he does look more like form 2. I always thought form 2 did not have the stripy pattern on the face, whilst form one and King Cold did.

And King Cold>Not Full Power Frieza?

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"Papa, if you and I take care of him together, we'd definitely be able to defeat him. I've also powered up. I'd probably even be able to take him myself."

Is he referring to his power being increased by mecha upgrade or he's powered up from say, 10% to 100%?

Edit: I just checked hero's list, and he has King Cold at 12,000,000. I thought he was the one with him at 80,000. Who has him at 80,000? I love that level.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 09-25-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Ok, he does look more like form 2. I always thought form 2 did not have the stripy pattern on the face, whilst form one and King Cold did.

But King Cold doesn't have stripes on his arms and legs, while Freeza's second form did. And his horns are different.

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Originally Posted by USSJed

And King Cold>Not Full Power Frieza?

It's possible, but no one mentions the "other ki" being specifically stronger than Freeza's suppressed state.

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Is he referring to his power being increased by mecha upgrade or he's powered up from say, 10% to 100%?

The mecha upgrades, obviously.

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Edit: I just checked hero's list, and he has King Cold at 12,000,000. I thought he was the one with him at 80,000. Who has him at 80,000? I love that level.

80,000? That doesn't fit with him having "a ridiculously large ki." Plus, Freeza thought that he could take on Super Saiyan Goku with Cold's help. 80,000 wouldn't do shit to him.

Dupe of USSJed · 09-25-2008

I thought Frieza said he could kill Goku himself? And I wasn't watching the arms and legs, just the face.

Kazekage Gaara · 09-25-2008

Toriyama reuses character models, might explain how he looks like second form Freeza. Strengh, I'm not so sure about this.

Dupe of USSJed · 09-25-2008

Lol, using that logic, if someone thinks Frieza 2nd form=King Cold power, then I could say that obviously Recoombe=Android #16

09-25-2008	#16 (permalink)
Tyrant (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,224 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 329	Re: King Cold? I think King Cold was at full power but it doesn't matter because he's inferior to Frieza in every way. Frieza was running the show, not Cold. __________________ Goku will FUCK your Shit UP!

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Hero (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: USA Posts: 3,166 Rep Power: 135	Re: King Cold? He knew he was stronger, but he obviously didn't know he was strong enough to defeat him(in that form). And that still doesn't answer the question as to why he looked nothing like his son's true form. __________________ Top 5 Manga: 1. Dragon Ball 2. One Piece 3. Hunter x Hunter 4. Vagabond 5. Hikaru No Go Dragon Ball/Z Power Levels

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Vegeta (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Vegeta 2.0 Posts: 2,199 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 154	Re: King Cold? I doubt SSj Trunks would have allowed Cold to transform even if Cold tried to, so yeah. The transformations looked like they took a certain amount of time, and Trunks wouldn't have allotted that time to Cold. __________________

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Tyrant (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,224 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 329	Re: King Cold? I stand by my belief that King Cold is nothing short of garbage since Frieza was ordering him around. Also, his transformations seem unique to him and him alone. __________________ Goku will FUCK your Shit UP!

09-25-2008	#25 (permalink)
LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,736 Rep Power: 48	Re: King Cold? King Cold may have taken "The Super Saiyan" in earnest enough that he either a) wasn't in his power-reserving state or b) did not have the reserves to merit such. I'm going with B. He seemed rather nonchalant yet naive and dumber than bricks, and was of the impression that Trunks' sword is what killed his son and not Trunks' sheer power. That Cold offered Trunks a place beside him also goes to vindicate Trunks' superiority and Cold's fear IMO. The clans of Freeza's race are probably born in a select way, with higher and lower reserves. This may explain why neither Mecha Freeza nor Cold were in any sort of suppression whilst making their advent on Earth, besides the most apparent explanations. But, to be more direct, I'd say Cold is much weaker. Freeza has been said to have been the strongest in the universe for a reason. __________________

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,539 Rep Power: 195	Re: King Cold? I thought Frieza said he could kill Goku himself? And I wasn't watching the arms and legs, just the face. __________________ Is Tien fucking strong? Damn right he is. http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/ani...hs-humans.html SSJ3 Gotenks kicks ass btw.

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Kazekage Gaara (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: May 2008 Location: Torankasu Posts: 649 Rep Power: 50	Re: King Cold? Toriyama reuses character models, might explain how he looks like second form Freeza. Strengh, I'm not so sure about this. __________________ BEHOLD!!! ENGRISH!!!!

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,539 Rep Power: 195	Re: King Cold? Lol, using that logic, if someone thinks Frieza 2nd form=King Cold power, then I could say that obviously Recoombe=Android #16 __________________ Is Tien fucking strong? Damn right he is. http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/ani...hs-humans.html SSJ3 Gotenks kicks ass btw.