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Old 09-20-2008   #16 (permalink)
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Default Re: Ok...what the hell?

So its essentially the delayed/slow/continuing boost from Guru theory.

Except yours doesn't have senzu increases, but w/e
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"Senzu" increases for Kuririn are ludicrous.

And I wouldn't really call it a "theory," due to Vegeta outright saying that their powers were shooting up.
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Default Re: Ok...what the hell?

Some people say its a bluff, which when viewed in context could be the case.
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As I pointed out in my power level thread, Gohan agrees (in his own head) that their power had gone up.
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Shit, I should have read more... I don't think its a bluff.
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Also note that the first part of that scan (which I left untranslated at the time) has Gohan thinking that the three of them can somehow beat first form Freeza. That's another reason I put the two of them so high.
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Makes sense. Also combines with the fact that PL:30,000 and PL: 25,000 would be of no help at all against Frieza
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IMO Vegeta, after becoming SSJ, shouldv'e destroyed Earth from his ship on his way back from training, then shouldv'e went around the galaxy finishing off all of frieza's bases/planets/forces :P.
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I think that Frieza's forces were dispersed after his death, because they had no lider. If y'know what I mean.
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I always got the sense Vegeta was some what grateful that he was wished backed to life. Even though he would never admit it. I also started to see a big change when he was explaining the Saiyan story, he actually was emotional for the first time. Also, by this point he main concern was to beat goku, he already forgot about his revenge on earth.
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IMO Vegeta, after becoming SSJ, shouldv'e destroyed Earth from his ship on his way back from training, then shouldv'e went around the galaxy finishing off all of frieza's bases/planets/forces :P.
Considering the whole "outer space" training Bejiita was showing doing was filler, it's almost a certainty that he never left Earth during the course of his training to reach Ssj.
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I always got the sense Vegeta was some what grateful that he was wished backed to life. Even though he would never admit it. I also started to see a big change when he was explaining the Saiyan story, he actually was emotional for the first time. Also, by this point he main concern was to beat goku, he already forgot about his revenge on earth.
I agree with you 100%. I've always believed after attempting to confront his demons, Frieza, and understanding that Goku is more than a mere saiyan grunt, he thought of his place and Goku in a different way. This theory is ignoring the later sagas after the Frieza saga. For all we know, Vegeta could've planned to live the rest of his life like a human would.
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Perhaps Gohan+Piccolo+Krillin>Vegeta?
He could have just killed them one by one while they're suppressed or something.
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Vegeta had his pride to appease first. He wanted to get the same shot he had when he first came to earth and wanted to beat all of the earthlings at once. This is why he wanted to go SSJ. I think he would've beaten them, beaten Goku to his last breath and then left him there to try and survive since I think that in the back of his mind he wanted to be square with Goku for letting him go.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that his pride prevented him from destroying the earth, he didn't want to feel obligated for being helped by the earthlings
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