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Old 09-11-2008   #16 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is Vegeta a Mastered SSJ?

Goku may have mastered SSJ2, since he seemed to handle it quite easily.
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Default Re: Is Vegeta a Mastered SSJ?

I never saw SSJ2 Gohan having stress. I never saw SSJ Goku(namek) having stress.

I don't think stress is an indicator :P
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SSJ2 was mastered by Goku, because there is nothing to disprove this. He only wastes energy because he was fighting Vegeta, not because of the form itself.
When he was showing all of his forms to Babidi and Majin Buu, he was just releasing energy so he could get to SSJ3.
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That's....pretty dumb logic.

That's like saying Lunch was a Super Saiyan, because you can't disprove it.
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She is not a saiyan. Theory disproved. :|
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Default Re: Is Vegeta a Mastered SSJ?

^Owned.

He's likely MSSJ in the Buu Saga you can tell from the aura, and it wouldn't make much sense for him to not master it after seeing its effects and having 7 years to do so.
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She is not a saiyan. Theory disproved. :|
But can you prove that? :|
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She never had a tail, and her hair isn't black.
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She never had a tail, and her hair isn't black.
1) Maybe she cuts it off when it starts to grow?

2) Uh...yeah it is.
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We can also conclude that General Blue was trained by Guldo a longtime ago, which is why he has psychic power similiar to him.
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We can also conclude that General Blue was trained by Guldo a longtime ago, which is why he has psychic power similiar to him.
Or that General Blue and Guldo served under the same master(since I can believe them being the same power).
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Yeah, that too.

Or, General Black is related to Mr. Popo?
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1) Maybe she cuts it off when it starts to grow?

2) Uh...yeah it is.
Her hair is blue.
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SSJ2 was mastered by Goku, because there is nothing to disprove this. He only wastes energy because he was fighting Vegeta, not because of the form itself.
When he was showing all of his forms to Babidi and Majin Buu, he was just releasing energy so he could get to SSJ3.
If they were fighting its not being wasted....he said it when they were talking for like three manga panels.

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Her hair is blue.
Manga her hair is black....

Manga Vegeta's hair is black....

Anime her hair is blue, anime Vegeta's hair is brown. Not trying to back the dude up here but you need to justify your claims.
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Ok. Sorry, haven't seen the DB Manga in a while.
Anyways we can prove she isn't a saiyan because he never transformed into an Oozaru and besides Raditz would've known about her surviving the explosion of Planet Vegeta.
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