KiKoHo Multiplier Poll - Page 5

Evil Vegeta · 09-13-2008

Which is outright ridiculous. I believe the attack was just a "moment of opportunity attack", which shouldn't be so difficult to accept.

**Majuub** · 09-13-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Multipliers aside, I want to know what Gotenks and Piccolo meant by 'erase'

Gotenks had his hands placed like he was about to fire a Kamehameha and said that he was going to use all his Ki to completely erase Majin Buu. Obviously he meant killing him. Vegeta also said that with a full power Kamehameha, Goku should be able to obliterate Chibi Buu. The only way to get rid of him is to engulf him with a Ki much greater than his. With a 200x multiplier, SSJ2 Majin Vegeta's Final Explosion would be even greater than Vegeto's PL. That of course doesn't apply if you have Fat Buu more than 100x stronger than SSJ2 Majin Vegeta. See how ridiculous is a 150x multiplier even for the strongest attack in the DBZ universe?

USSJed, no, Tienshinhan doesn't know how to do the Kaioken.

Dupe of USSJed · 09-13-2008

I don't see why its so ridiculous. Goku goes x50, x100, x500 or whatever you have the higher SSJ's as every 5 seconds.

Evil Vegeta · 09-13-2008

I wonder if Gotenks really could've erased Super Buu? I only think Vegito or possibly Gohan could, while it would be difficult for Gotenks to do such. We know Vegito would easily do it, since his kiai erased Buu's forelock.

Dupe of USSJed · 09-13-2008

Do you believe theres a difference between 'erase' and 'explosion'?

**Majuub** · 09-13-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Do you believe theres a difference between 'erase' and 'explosion'?

...an explosion is meant to blow up things, if it's extremely powerful, then it will obliterate matter surrounding it. Vegeta's Final Explosion with a 200x multiplier should have completely Erase Majin Buu, That alone proves a 184x multiplier for the Kikoho doesn't make a single bit of sense.

Explosion= Cause

Erase= Effect

Imkakashi007 · 09-13-2008

Well, is tien around vegeta's level in cell saga? when Vegeta
was fighting 2nd form cell like nothing.
Then Tien held 2nd form cell in the hole with the Kikoho
which was mostly over tien's level.
Cell even stated that he couldn't see how Tien
could hurt him like that.

Evil Vegeta · 09-13-2008

Tien never did any damage to Cell, though. Cell even felt stupid that he was held back by his attack.

**Majuub** · 09-13-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

I don't see why its so ridiculous. Goku goes x50, x100, x500 or whatever you have the higher SSJ's as every 5 seconds.

The highest somewhat canon multiplier is the SSJ one which is believed to be the highest, and yet you have the Kikoho more than 3x the SSJ multiplier? Also, SSJ2 is Majin Vegeta's highest form, it's ridiculous to think he can release 200x his power in that form.

Hero · 09-13-2008

Majuub do you think that Tien was in the hundred millions? Because that's the only way to make sense of this, but this is contradicted when Piccolo is stated to be stronger than Tien, and I doubt Piccolo was much higher than a hundred million(I have him less).

Its just one big plot hole -.-

**Majuub** · 09-13-2008

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Originally Posted by hero_764

Majuub do you think that Tien was in the hundred millions?

Tienshinhan in the hundred of millions? I view him 100x weaker than this by the end of DBZ. In no way does he come anywhere close to the power of an SSJ.

Hero · 09-13-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Tienshinhan in the hundred of millions? I view him 100x weaker than this by the end of DBZ. In no way does he come anywhere close to the power of an SSJ.

Yeah, sorry. I pressed enter too fast. I edited my post

Dupe of USSJed · 09-13-2008

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...an explosion is meant to blow up things, if it's extremely powerful, then it will obliterate matter surrounding it. Vegeta's Final Explosion with a 200x multiplier should have completely Erase Majin Buu, That alone proves a 184x multiplier for the Kikoho doesn't make a single bit of sense.

Explosion= Cause

Erase= Effect

What the heck is up with you, usually your arguments are more reasonable and you actually read the explanations. My explanation, is Kikoho is x7 power, and Tien uses a Kaiokenx10 like effect to make his Neo-Kikoho x10 stronger, IE x70. Replace that with x18.4 to get 184x or whatever. Thats how I think the Neo-Kikoho works. With that Logic, the Majin Mega Explosion would be perhaps x25 IMO, maybe x35.

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The highest somewhat canon multiplier is the SSJ one which is believed to be the highest, and yet you have the Kikoho more than 3x the SSJ multiplier? Also, SSJ2 is Majin Vegeta's highest form, it's ridiculous to think he can release 200x his power in that form.

x200 is very reasonable. Look at this chart...

SSJ(x50) <<< USSJ-1 <<< MSSJ <<< SSJ2 < Majin

Thats alot of forms to go through with minimal increase. We know MSSJ is about x2 stronger than USSJ-1, which is much stronger than regular SSJ.

So lets say USSJ-1 is only x60. Then unless you have SSJ2 at less than 170% the power of MSSJ then the multiplier is at least x200.

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Majuub do you think that Tien was in the hundred millions? Because that's the only way to make sense of this, but this is contradicted when Piccolo is stated to be stronger than Tien, and I doubt Piccolo was much higher than a hundred million(I have him less).

Its just one big plot hole -.-

God posts like this are irritating.

Hero · 09-13-2008

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God posts like this are irritating.

What, the fact that I'm assuming?

Dupe of USSJed · 09-13-2008

Two words: Plot Hole

Sofar the only acceptable plot hole I have seen is the 'Kaiokenx2'

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09-13-2008	#63 (permalink)
Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,524 Rep Power: 195	Re: KiKoHo Multiplier Poll I don't see why its so ridiculous. Goku goes x50, x100, x500 or whatever you have the higher SSJ's as every 5 seconds. __________________ Is Tien fucking strong? Damn right he is. http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/ani...hs-humans.html SSJ3 Gotenks kicks ass btw.

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,524 Rep Power: 195	Re: KiKoHo Multiplier Poll Do you believe theres a difference between 'erase' and 'explosion'? __________________ Is Tien fucking strong? Damn right he is. http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/ani...hs-humans.html SSJ3 Gotenks kicks ass btw.

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Imkakashi007 (15) Super Namekian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Singing L death with Kira and shaking my Goddamn Wustenrot. Posts: 472 Rep Power: 55	Re: KiKoHo Multiplier Poll Well, is tien around vegeta's level in cell saga? when Vegeta was fighting 2nd form cell like nothing. Then Tien held 2nd form cell in the hole with the Kikoho which was mostly over tien's level. Cell even stated that he couldn't see how Tien could hurt him like that. __________________ Gone to N-A and NF for sometime, but I'll be back bye ,_,

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Hero (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: USA Posts: 3,166 Rep Power: 135	Re: KiKoHo Multiplier Poll Majuub do you think that Tien was in the hundred millions? Because that's the only way to make sense of this, but this is contradicted when Piccolo is stated to be stronger than Tien, and I doubt Piccolo was much higher than a hundred million(I have him less). Its just one big plot hole -.- __________________ Top 5 Manga: 1. Dragon Ball 2. One Piece 3. Hunter x Hunter 4. Vagabond 5. Hikaru No Go Dragon Ball/Z Power Levels

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,524 Rep Power: 195	Re: KiKoHo Multiplier Poll Two words: Plot Hole Sofar the only acceptable plot hole I have seen is the 'Kaiokenx2' __________________ Is Tien fucking strong? Damn right he is. http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/ani...hs-humans.html SSJ3 Gotenks kicks ass btw.