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Just a hunch, but I think people voted purely on if x500 was reasonable, not if its reasonable compared to x10,000

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I'm still wondering where you guys got there was a multiplier for the Kikoho.

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Evil Vegeta

Me too. I just think it's an attack that slowed Cell down, not an attack 10,000x more powerful then himself.

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the predator

But to slow CELL down it has to have a greater power than Tien has. I mean Cell was completely helpless against it

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All I'm trying to prove is that whether or not tien is 100,000 or 5,000,000 the power of his KiKoHo is ridiculous compared to himself.

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It was moment of opportunity attack, similiar to how Kaioshin stopped SSJ2 Gohan, who he was far weaker then.

I doubt Tien was anywhere near five million.

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Woah, I forgot about this.

Shit dude, repped.

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Yeah but Kaioshin couldn't restrain Gohan for a long period of time (as stated by himself) while Tien could hold off Cell forever if his stamina was unlimited. Also the difference between Tien and Cell is far larger than that of Gohan and Kaioshin (presumably)

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It was just a plot device, plain and simple. Sometimes the author wants to turn the story around, since it's his creation, he can do whatever he wants with it. Judging Tienshinhan has a multiplier based from one very inconsisten exemple doesn't make a single bit of sense. Toriyama took what he had in hadn, Tienshinhan used a Kikoho to hold back Cell. Cell wasn't putting any efforts into trying to escape, he was moving at normal speed. It's basic physics, pushing something when there isn't any resistance is easier than pushing something putting up resistance. You guys really believed Cell would have been held back if he was using the full extent of his speed? He was just trying to go away. Don't say he was using near his full power, he had no ki loss at all, the attack wasn't damaging in the slightest. It would like me, pushing a 300lbs guy, I can do it if he does nothing to go against me, if he just walks, I can charge in him and he'll move, in no way does that mean my power is anywhere close to his.

I'm also wondering where you guys got there was a multiplier for the Kikoho. Attacks aren't like different forms or SSJ acsensions. The user can use a specific amount of power into an attack. Goku can't decide for his SSJ form to provide him 1.5x or 4.6x more power whenever he wants. SSJ Goku is SSJ Goku. Tienshinhan can use a weak, strong, or maximum Kikoho. Goku can't use a weak, strong or maximum SSJ. He has his SSJ form period. I don't see why you guys put them in the same group.

a 500x multiplier isn't reasonable, a multiplier period isn't resaonable.

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It was not about speed it was about strength, Cell couldn't fend off the shin kikoho's force. It didn't damage him because Tien is too weak to damage Imperfect Cell. And you have to remember he was pretty desperate get away. After the initial shock factor had passed he should have been able to handle it quite easily.

True, its a plot device but its one of the few scenes where we see Tien in action so we can't just discard it.

As for attacks not having multipliers. They do have multipliers we can see this in the kamehameha and the makkansoppo against Raditz. The idea there was that focusing their energy into a single point made them stronger. The shin kikoho might have some different explanation to that (maybe concerning that life force thing)

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They don't have multipliers, the Raditz's exemple is a bad one. Piccolo could have been using 100% of his strength just like he could have used 98% of his strength. The power of the attack depends of the power of the user, different amounts of power can be putted into different attacks. What would be the Kikoho multiplier if Tienshinhan was using 57% of his power? It's simple, you can't put multipliers onto things that can be changed at will. Goku can't decide if his SSJ will make him 100x stronger, Tienshinhan can decide the amount of Ki he puts into his Kikoho. Don't ignore that exemple. The attacks might multpliy the power of the users, but they don't have set multipliers as there are too many things to factor in order to give different attacks different multiplier.

That exemple should be left there. Either Tienshinhan would be amazingly strong, either the Kikoho would have a ridiculous multiplier. Debate all you want, you won't find the answer as there is no possible answer. It was a plot device, plain and simple.

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It makes sense if you think about real life situations.. Like say someone much weaker then you starts shoving you over and over and your thrown back but not hurt from it. Though it seems silly for someone to actually do this to someone.

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Theres no such thing as a plot device, plain and simple.

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Room of Spirit and Time.
And Super Saiyan.
And Kaio-Ken.
And Kikoho.
And Taiyoken.
Are all plot devices.

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