Tien is under a million. - Page 5

Hero · 09-12-2008

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So your agreeing with me that giving the Kikoho a x10,000 multiplier makes no sense?

Yup, same with 500x(or even 71.1293478203945 or w/e you got it to).

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And the Dog Piss thing, I remember you were the one that originally brought it up, which is the only reason I even remembered it. I can't check it because I only have Z and not DB

When was it at? 22nd Budokai?

Evil Vegeta · 09-12-2008

There was never comparison between the two. I only remember Roshi complaining about Krillin's Kame beam not being enough for Chaitzu's Dodonpa.

Dupe of USSJed · 09-12-2008

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When was it at? 22nd Budokai?

It would have been whenever it was that Tien nuked the ring, and Goku was going to take it like a man but Roshi warned him to escape, saving his life.

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Yup, same with 500x(or even 71.1293478203945 or w/e you got it to).

Oh, so now SSJ1-2-3, Oozaru, Kaiokens etc are all bullshit as well? Kikoho is like, the strongest attack in DBZ except for Spirit Bomb, why do you find it so hard to believe it would be x75 or so in power?

Edit: Although I've asked this before I can't find it to see if it got answered...

Would a Kikoho fired by Chou Gohan be stronger than a Kikoho fired by Tien? How would it compare to a Kamehameha from Chou Gohan?

Hero · 09-12-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Oh, so now SSJ1-2-3, Oozaru, Kaiokens etc are all bullshit as well? Kikoho is like, the strongest attack in DBZ except for Spirit Bomb, why do you find it so hard to believe it would be x75 or so in power?

Because you have to have abnormally low levels for it to work.

And would you please stop comparing a legendary transformation to an attack?

All I'm saying is that the KiKoHo isn't proof of Tien's power.

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Would a Kikoho fired by Chou Gohan be stronger than a Kikoho fired by Tien? How would it compare to a Kamehameha from Chou Gohan?

What does this have to do with anything.

Dupe of USSJed · 09-12-2008

It has alot to do with things. Just answer it.

And my levels are not 'Abnormally low'. They are perfectly acceptable, they would be equally acceptable if I made them all 100x higher as well.

Hero · 09-12-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

It has alot to do with things. Just answer it.

Honestly, I don't really know any more. I used to think no, but now I can't really answer it. Sorry =/.

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And my levels are not 'Abnormally low'. They are perfectly acceptable, they would be equally acceptable if I made them all 100x higher as well.

Maybe I misread or something, but you have the humans gaining like 10x more than increase Goku did, when they were self training while he was partner training. Goku should be much higher than 100,000,000 as a SSJ. And if you take Namek Saga ratios into consideration(which you should), everyone is way to close to eachother.

Dupe of USSJed · 09-12-2008

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Honestly, I don't really know any more. I used to think no, but now I can't really answer it. Sorry =/.

Lol, alright then.

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Maybe I misread or something, but you have the humans gaining like 10x more than increase Goku did, when they were self training while he was partner training. Goku should be much higher than 100,000,000 as a SSJ. And if you take Namek Saga ratios into consideration(which you should), everyone is way to close to eachother.

I have taken Goku's statement: "The stronger you get the harder it is to increase your strength" very literally, and on top of that I believe Goku focused more on training Gohan and Piccolo. No idea what you mean by Namek ratios. (I also noticed you have SSJ3 as 3700x multiplier lol)

Evil Vegeta · 09-12-2008

When did Goku say that?

Dupe of USSJed · 09-12-2008

Now that you mention it, I cannot remember for sure. I think it was in the CoSaT

Hero · 09-12-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Lol, alright then.I have taken Goku's statement: "The stronger you get the harder it is to increase your strength" very literally, and on top of that I believe Goku focused more on training Gohan and Piccolo. No idea what you mean by Namek ratios. (I also noticed you have SSJ3 as 3700x multiplier lol)

Yeah I don't remember that quote, when do you remember him saying it?

And why would he not get some training in on his own. Remember, Piccolo surpassed Goku's base sometime in there, and Goku could've trained in his base w/ Piccolo to get some nice increases(I have it at around 4x). He didn't ask Piccolo and Gohan if he could train them, he asked if he could train with them.

And the Namek saga ratios is like how Vegeta/Zarbon/Dodoria all had stated power levels we could base how much stronger you have to been than someone to totally own them(the same goes with Vegeta/Nappa/Goku in the saiyan saga).

You have Kamicollo and Piccolo at only a 1.11x difference. Goku at Kaioken x2, and Vegeta were at the very least a 1.25 difference, and Goku did much better against Vegeta than Piccolo did against Cell.

SuperTien · 09-12-2008

Tien felt cyborg Freeza's powerlevel(probably surpressed by a lot;Gohan says that freeza's terrible power can get much higher or something to that effect)

Final form Freeza surpressed comfortably in the fight with goku was around 3,000,000-4,000,000 in most people's charts. I would figure Freeza was probably at least around this while he anded on earth. He knew Vegeta and Piccolo hadn't been that strong; or at least believed it. Well maybe freeza was a little bit gigher in strength while landing even up to 5-6million. Tien himself probably wouldn't show up if he wasn't at least up to around these levels.

Also take in mind Android 20 and android 19's sensors picked up Yamcha's powerlevel. By his energy reading they expected it to be Goku after all those years of training based on what they had seen with goku. They saw goku's fight with the saiyans, and could go by goku's increases from there to now he was higher than the battle power's he displayed there. Goku with a kaioken kamehameha was around the 30,000 mark. Yamcha has to be above thi no doubt already, but taking the increases goku made and then using a reasonable increase for yamcha I have found he hypothticall could be 4,000,000 himself. Remember Yamcha is the one that was most afraid of dieing and after feeling cyborg freeza's powerlevel he still shows up.

The humans always where a step behind goku and always managed to be around his previous "oh my gosh that's the most amazing power level"

They went from the low hundreds then became stronger than a saiyan who made rag dolls of goku and piccolo a year before. With training they do wonders. They trained harder in the android arc then ever before and probably had the largest increase ever. Don't find the earth being anything taking away from their training. Even though it has low gravity and all We have no idea what Tien, krillin, and yamcha and many of the others did to train. All we know is that they trained to be greater than anything else they had done. They progress to be better than past villans. They became stronger than ing piccolo, radditz, probably the ginyu force, then at the end they probably reached low levels of freeza, which would have been base levels of goku , trunks, and vegeta.

The thing that is so special about the saiyans and makes them leaps and bounds above the others is there supersaiyan abilties. Other than that the humans could almost keep up with their base. If Tien and krillin would have trained with goku purhaps they culd have shown some simialr improvement to piccolo, but lower of coarse. But still higher, training on there own it is not to far of a reach to be in the low millions.

Dupe of USSJed · 09-12-2008

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Yeah I don't remember that quote, when do you remember him saying it?(1)

And why would he not get some training in on his own. Remember, Piccolo surpassed Goku's base sometime in there, and Goku could've trained in his base w/ Piccolo to get some nice increases(I have it at around 4x). He didn't ask Piccolo and Gohan if he could train them, he asked if he could train with them.(2)

And the Namek saga ratios is like how Vegeta/Zarbon/Dodoria all had stated power levels we could base how much stronger you have to been than someone to totally own them(the same goes with Vegeta/Nappa/Goku in the saiyan saga).(3)

You have Kamicollo and Piccolo at only a 1.11x difference. Goku at Kaioken x2, and Vegeta were at the very least a 1.25 difference, and Goku did much better against Vegeta than Piccolo did against Cell.(4)

(1) I looked through all the CoSaT stuff and couldn't find it. But considering how many times I have seen it on this site, plus the fact I remember reading it and have used it in arguments before, I am sure its here somewhere. Perhaps its in the official translation rather than the scanlation?

(2) Perhaps, but one quote I did find when I searched for (1) was Goku saying Gohan would need to go SSJ for them to train properly. Perhaps base form training is useless or worse by this point? And if not, Tien could reduce himself to PL:1 and lift small rocks to get a large increase as well.

(3) The only Namek Saga ratio I think is worth mentioning is Vegeta VS Cui. Which just shows that at x1.3 you can rape your opponent. What are the other ones that show some sort of ratio?

(4) Do you mean 'Kaioken' or the infamous 'Kaiokenx2'? The former went up against a non-powered up Vegeta if I'm not mistaken, while the latter is 1.3x stronger than Vegeta.

Remixxx · 09-12-2008

Why would tien even be invited to train in the Rosat if he was that weak.....WHY was he the only one standing up besides Trunks,vegeta and Picolo against the Cell juniors....It looked like him

Evil Vegeta · 09-12-2008

Tien was on the ground after the battle with little Cells.

Hero · 09-12-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

(1) I looked through all the CoSaT stuff and couldn't find it. But considering how many times I have seen it on this site, plus the fact I remember reading it and have used it in arguments before, I am sure its here somewhere. Perhaps its in the official translation rather than the scanlation?

I'll look later, but I really don't remember anyone mentioning it or reading it.

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(2) Perhaps, but one quote I did find when I searched for (1) was Goku saying Gohan would need to go SSJ for them to train properly. Perhaps base form training is useless or worse by this point? And if not, Tien could reduce himself to PL:1 and lift small rocks to get a large increase as well.

No, all he said was he wanted Gohan to be a SSJ(so he could take advantage of the 50x multiplier).

As for the second part...that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

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(3) The only Namek Saga ratio I think is worth mentioning is Vegeta VS Cui. Which just shows that at x1.3 you can rape your opponent. What are the other ones that show some sort of ratio?

Did I not just explain this to you.

Vegeta was stated to be barely 18k in the Saiyan Saga. Most people put him higher, but I was trying to make it as small as possible. And then Goku's 8k x2 = 16k. That's a 1.125 difference.

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(4) Do you mean 'Kaioken' or the infamous 'Kaiokenx2'? The former went up against a non-powered up Vegeta if I'm not mistaken, while the latter is 1.3x stronger than Vegeta.

What the fuck dude? Kaioken and Kaioken x2 are exactly the same thing =/.

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,539 Rep Power: 195	Re: Tien is under a million. It has alot to do with things. Just answer it. And my levels are not 'Abnormally low'. They are perfectly acceptable, they would be equally acceptable if I made them all 100x higher as well. __________________ Is Tien fucking strong? Damn right he is. http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/ani...hs-humans.html SSJ3 Gotenks kicks ass btw.

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,539 Rep Power: 195	Re: Tien is under a million. Now that you mention it, I cannot remember for sure. I think it was in the CoSaT __________________ Is Tien fucking strong? Damn right he is. http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/ani...hs-humans.html SSJ3 Gotenks kicks ass btw. Last edited by Dupe of USSJed; 09-12-2008 at 01:13 PM.

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SuperTien (18) Artificial Human Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 794 Rep Power: 29	Re: Tien is under a million. Tien felt cyborg Freeza's powerlevel(probably surpressed by a lot;Gohan says that freeza's terrible power can get much higher or something to that effect) Final form Freeza surpressed comfortably in the fight with goku was around 3,000,000-4,000,000 in most people's charts. I would figure Freeza was probably at least around this while he anded on earth. He knew Vegeta and Piccolo hadn't been that strong; or at least believed it. Well maybe freeza was a little bit gigher in strength while landing even up to 5-6million. Tien himself probably wouldn't show up if he wasn't at least up to around these levels. Also take in mind Android 20 and android 19's sensors picked up Yamcha's powerlevel. By his energy reading they expected it to be Goku after all those years of training based on what they had seen with goku. They saw goku's fight with the saiyans, and could go by goku's increases from there to now he was higher than the battle power's he displayed there. Goku with a kaioken kamehameha was around the 30,000 mark. Yamcha has to be above thi no doubt already, but taking the increases goku made and then using a reasonable increase for yamcha I have found he hypothticall could be 4,000,000 himself. Remember Yamcha is the one that was most afraid of dieing and after feeling cyborg freeza's powerlevel he still shows up. The humans always where a step behind goku and always managed to be around his previous "oh my gosh that's the most amazing power level" They went from the low hundreds then became stronger than a saiyan who made rag dolls of goku and piccolo a year before. With training they do wonders. They trained harder in the android arc then ever before and probably had the largest increase ever. Don't find the earth being anything taking away from their training. Even though it has low gravity and all We have no idea what Tien, krillin, and yamcha and many of the others did to train. All we know is that they trained to be greater than anything else they had done. They progress to be better than past villans. They became stronger than ing piccolo, radditz, probably the ginyu force, then at the end they probably reached low levels of freeza, which would have been base levels of goku , trunks, and vegeta. The thing that is so special about the saiyans and makes them leaps and bounds above the others is there supersaiyan abilties. Other than that the humans could almost keep up with their base. If Tien and krillin would have trained with goku purhaps they culd have shown some simialr improvement to piccolo, but lower of coarse. But still higher, training on there own it is not to far of a reach to be in the low millions.

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Remixxx (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Neptune Posts: 3,448 Rep Power: 70	Re: Tien is under a million. Why would tien even be invited to train in the Rosat if he was that weak.....WHY was he the only one standing up besides Trunks,vegeta and Picolo against the Cell juniors....It looked like him __________________