Tien is under a million. - Page 11

Dupe of USSJed · 09-15-2008

I knew you'd see sense.

The other thing, would be Goku saying he couldn't keep up, which could be that he can only stay MOL on par with Vegeta for short bursts, meaning the fight would go

Equal(5 seconds), Vegeta winning(30 seconds) Equal(5 seconds), Vegeta winning(1 min) etc so Goku would lose.

Evil Vegeta · 09-15-2008

Yeah, that does seem kind of weird when you think about it. It's just too inconsistent, and one is constantly above the other as time progresses.

Devilz · 09-15-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Please read what I am saying

I know the damn Kaioken<Vegeta(Full Power)

What hero is saying, is Kaioken<Vegeta(Not full power) and that is some kind of proof that my powerlevels are wrong, despite having zero evidence whatsoever as to what ratio of difference there was.

Powered up and full power aren't the same thing, so it seems like you're the one who didn't read what I said.

Dupe of USSJed · 09-15-2008

I did read it. It was the addition of an obvious statement into an argument, without making mention of the actual level of power we were discussing.

SuperTien · 09-15-2008

[quote]OH please EVERYTHING is illogical, why don't you try and explain how Goku didn't turn into Oozaru when he transported Boss Rabbit to the moon (and how the hell he breathed in space)/QUOTE]

haha, I would agree that because it is for entertainment and comical that he would do such a thing, but over thinking it is possible for example:
The reason he didn't turn great ape is perhaps because the moon wasn't in the range to do so. What the real case is the light has to come from the sun and bounce off the moon then past through the earths atmosphere. the moon could have been where it doesn;t recevie as much light nor would that much of it be seen don on earth. It was still day time. Then one he got out of the atmsophere the light was still pure light he saew from the moon, the bluts waves would not pass through the atmosphere.

Then on not breathing A saiyan could breath probably at least 10 minutes without fresh air. So perhaps boss rabbit died after a view minutes. Also maybe in dragon world the moon has a small atmosphere with air. Reall the manga creator can make anything happen, besides it was just a comedy part of the series.

Vegeta made the great ape light changing ball. He said its all about the light in the earths atmosphere after being reflected by the sun. So goku going up to the moon in the day time where the reflected light would be not seen the correct way. then after passing the earths atmosphere would not transform him.

[quote]It didn't burn or scar him. That was just dirt./QUOTE]

I hardly see the possibility that it was merely dirt.
Cell never really got to touch dirt, because the hole ground below him in the size of a tennis court was blown halfway to the center of the earth. All the smoke and dust that rose up around the hole was never seen to engulf cel in anyway.

Also take the fact that those are the marks akira uses to show slight batle damage. They are burn marks or carbon scaring, what happens when intense heat or energ causes carbon to be release by an organism. Steam (vapor) and Carbon in the form of smoke would also be seen rising off of cell not dust.

If you would like to see other times AT used these "dust marks" Take alook at nappa's armor after chaozu blew up, or after Piccolo blasted Nappa's back later in the fight.
Piccolo was much weaker than nappa at the time and he caused this slight burn damage. It was not dust marks. haha come on. Tien is weaker but his attack is intense enough to cause a major forceful blast with explosive power and intense energy release. They are burns. He enver hits the ground, the ground its blown to nothing before he reaches the ground. Like I said dust never touches him...

As for the gravity training. Yea doesn't make sense to a multiply stand point. You are 416 and train at 10x g and become around 8900; train at 100x g and become 90,000. Ten times stronger. Then get beat up by a guy that has a powerlevel of 120,000 and become 3,000,000
Using that kind of gain: goku's base after an increase after fighting freeza's wouldn't be below than 102,000,000!

The thing is tien and the others really out do them selves. They all thought they where level grinding on earth before they trained at kaios planet. The marvelous piccolo and goku where average weak freeza force levels. Then raddtiz come and is a god to them, but just barely okay in the freeza forces. Perhaps slightly good for a saiyan thats nt an elite.

If think about it anything over 500 is amazing for a human. really anything around 100 is.

Anyone ever wonder what nameks gravity is. It is very similar to earths, but perhaps slightly greater?

Dupe of USSJed · 09-15-2008

Cell was standing on the ground in the hole and Gohan got the same marks from being flung thru a giant rock

Unfathomable Chaos · 10-18-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

I agree with this. In fact, I have Tien at around 25,000 post King Kai's.

Then there's no way Tien can be over a million in the Cell Saga. Name an instance when some gets a 40x power boost in a three year gap without getting a zenkai.

Cableguy15 · 10-18-2008

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Originally Posted by Unfathomable Chaos

Then there's no way Tien can be over a million in the Cell Saga. Name an instance when some gets a 40x power boost in a three year gap without getting a zenkai.

Piccolo, depending on the power level list.

Dupe of USSJed · 10-18-2008

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Then there's no way Tien can be over a million in the Cell Saga. Name an instance when some gets a 40x power boost in a three year gap without getting a zenkai.

That was my old level. I now have him at 50,000. ANYWAY, I don't remember what I was saying(This is an old topic) but I believe it was something like +250% per year doubled for Chaotzu putting him at 3 million. Thats off the top of my head right now.

My current level is: 50,000 +66% +132% +132% +132% = 1,036,000

gad_is_here · 10-19-2008

Tien would be lucky to reach 100,000. give me one example of anyone reaching past 50,000 without zenkais and stuff, unless you were born a strong guy

Dupe of USSJed · 10-19-2008

How am I suppost to do that? The levels of every character after Frieza's 1,000,000 are not stated. Toriyama could state that Videl is 100,000 and aside from that, there would be no evidence in the manga to support that.

gad_is_here · 10-19-2008

They were useless. No way they could have trained to past 50,000. A saiyan needed zenkais and 100x gravity to reach that level

Dupe of USSJed · 10-19-2008

Give me some proof that they couldn't.

gad_is_here · 10-19-2008

Sure
Yamcha, never trained
Tien, trained with someone not even close to him in power.
Krillin, we saw the best of him against Cell. And he was sure he can't beat a saiyan, even with them holding back

Anyone else. Unless of course you think Tien could have reached that level which Goku or Vegeta would never have done with out zenkais and gravity that's proof enough

Dupe of USSJed · 10-19-2008

I said proof.

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Yamcha, never trained

He did train.

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Tien, trained with someone not even close to him in power.

So what. Tell me, is the N Kikoho 10,000x stronger than the user?

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Krillin, we saw the best of him against Cell. And he was sure he can't beat a saiyan, even with them holding back

PL: 100 million would have the same effect that Krillin did. And that second part, leads me to think you believe Krillin to have a powerlevel in the negatives, seeing as the Saiyans could theoretically have held back to PL:1

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,524 Rep Power: 195	Re: Tien is under a million. I knew you'd see sense. The other thing, would be Goku saying he couldn't keep up, which could be that he can only stay MOL on par with Vegeta for short bursts, meaning the fight would go Equal(5 seconds), Vegeta winning(30 seconds) Equal(5 seconds), Vegeta winning(1 min) etc so Goku would lose. __________________ Is Tien fucking strong? Damn right he is. http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/ani...hs-humans.html SSJ3 Gotenks kicks ass btw.

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,524 Rep Power: 195	Re: Tien is under a million. I did read it. It was the addition of an obvious statement into an argument, without making mention of the actual level of power we were discussing. __________________ Is Tien fucking strong? Damn right he is. http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/ani...hs-humans.html SSJ3 Gotenks kicks ass btw.

09-15-2008	#155 (permalink)
SuperTien (18) Artificial Human Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 794 Rep Power: 29	Re: Tien is under a million. [quote]OH please EVERYTHING is illogical, why don't you try and explain how Goku didn't turn into Oozaru when he transported Boss Rabbit to the moon (and how the hell he breathed in space)/QUOTE] haha, I would agree that because it is for entertainment and comical that he would do such a thing, but over thinking it is possible for example: The reason he didn't turn great ape is perhaps because the moon wasn't in the range to do so. What the real case is the light has to come from the sun and bounce off the moon then past through the earths atmosphere. the moon could have been where it doesn;t recevie as much light nor would that much of it be seen don on earth. It was still day time. Then one he got out of the atmsophere the light was still pure light he saew from the moon, the bluts waves would not pass through the atmosphere. Then on not breathing A saiyan could breath probably at least 10 minutes without fresh air. So perhaps boss rabbit died after a view minutes. Also maybe in dragon world the moon has a small atmosphere with air. Reall the manga creator can make anything happen, besides it was just a comedy part of the series. Vegeta made the great ape light changing ball. He said its all about the light in the earths atmosphere after being reflected by the sun. So goku going up to the moon in the day time where the reflected light would be not seen the correct way. then after passing the earths atmosphere would not transform him. [quote]It didn't burn or scar him. That was just dirt./QUOTE] I hardly see the possibility that it was merely dirt. Cell never really got to touch dirt, because the hole ground below him in the size of a tennis court was blown halfway to the center of the earth. All the smoke and dust that rose up around the hole was never seen to engulf cel in anyway. Also take the fact that those are the marks akira uses to show slight batle damage. They are burn marks or carbon scaring, what happens when intense heat or energ causes carbon to be release by an organism. Steam (vapor) and Carbon in the form of smoke would also be seen rising off of cell not dust. If you would like to see other times AT used these "dust marks" Take alook at nappa's armor after chaozu blew up, or after Piccolo blasted Nappa's back later in the fight. Piccolo was much weaker than nappa at the time and he caused this slight burn damage. It was not dust marks. haha come on. Tien is weaker but his attack is intense enough to cause a major forceful blast with explosive power and intense energy release. They are burns. He enver hits the ground, the ground its blown to nothing before he reaches the ground. Like I said dust never touches him... As for the gravity training. Yea doesn't make sense to a multiply stand point. You are 416 and train at 10x g and become around 8900; train at 100x g and become 90,000. Ten times stronger. Then get beat up by a guy that has a powerlevel of 120,000 and become 3,000,000 Using that kind of gain: goku's base after an increase after fighting freeza's wouldn't be below than 102,000,000! The thing is tien and the others really out do them selves. They all thought they where level grinding on earth before they trained at kaios planet. The marvelous piccolo and goku where average weak freeza force levels. Then raddtiz come and is a god to them, but just barely okay in the freeza forces. Perhaps slightly good for a saiyan thats nt an elite. If think about it anything over 500 is amazing for a human. really anything around 100 is. Anyone ever wonder what nameks gravity is. It is very similar to earths, but perhaps slightly greater?

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gad_is_here (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: I go with the naked ladies[;)] Posts: 2,506 Blog Entries: 7 Rep Power: 71	Re: Tien is under a million. Tien would be lucky to reach 100,000. give me one example of anyone reaching past 50,000 without zenkais and stuff, unless you were born a strong guy __________________ Nobody's perfect and since I'm nobody... Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. Avoid fruits and nuts. You are what you eat. Jim Davis All true wisdom is found on T-shirts. Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,524 Rep Power: 195	Re: Tien is under a million. How am I suppost to do that? The levels of every character after Frieza's 1,000,000 are not stated. Toriyama could state that Videl is 100,000 and aside from that, there would be no evidence in the manga to support that. __________________ Is Tien fucking strong? Damn right he is. http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/ani...hs-humans.html SSJ3 Gotenks kicks ass btw.

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gad_is_here (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: I go with the naked ladies[;)] Posts: 2,506 Blog Entries: 7 Rep Power: 71	Re: Tien is under a million. They were useless. No way they could have trained to past 50,000. A saiyan needed zenkais and 100x gravity to reach that level __________________ Nobody's perfect and since I'm nobody... Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. Avoid fruits and nuts. You are what you eat. Jim Davis All true wisdom is found on T-shirts. Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,524 Rep Power: 195	Re: Tien is under a million. Give me some proof that they couldn't. __________________ Is Tien fucking strong? Damn right he is. http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/ani...hs-humans.html SSJ3 Gotenks kicks ass btw.

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gad_is_here (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: I go with the naked ladies[;)] Posts: 2,506 Blog Entries: 7 Rep Power: 71	Re: Tien is under a million. Sure Yamcha, never trained Tien, trained with someone not even close to him in power. Krillin, we saw the best of him against Cell. And he was sure he can't beat a saiyan, even with them holding back Anyone else. Unless of course you think Tien could have reached that level which Goku or Vegeta would never have done with out zenkais and gravity that's proof enough __________________ Nobody's perfect and since I'm nobody... Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. Avoid fruits and nuts. You are what you eat. Jim Davis All true wisdom is found on T-shirts. Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.