Chibi Buu, stronger than we thought?

**Majuub** · 09-01-2008

Alright, I'm opening the pandora box yet again. It seems this individual might be a bit stronger than we all think. Why?

When Shin Buu was reverting to Buff Buu, they said his Ki got bigger. When he finally reverted to his original state, they said that now they could take him on. Note, they never specifically stated that his Ki went down or anything, but with their statement, it was heavily implied. Now, Goku is sure he can PROBABLY beat Chibi Buu. Goku and Vegeta somewhat went back on their words by stating Buu's Ki was getting bigger and by laughing at him shortly after.

Secondly, when they were on the Kaioshinkai, the Elder Kaioshin was the one to quickly tell Kibitoshin to give his potaras to Goku and Vegeta when Chibi Buu regenerated. Elder Kaioshin is probably the character who's the most efficient at sensing Ki in the series. He knew Kibitoshin was never that strong, he knew why Vegeto was so powerful, he knew Gohan had the highest potential(enough to thrash Shin Buu) and he also unlocked Gohan's potential. We must give him credit, he is great when it comes down to guauge power. When Goku and Vegeta refused the potaras, he freaked out because he thought they(unfused) wouldn't be enough to kill Chibi Buu.

Third, Goku didn't plan to fight Chibi Buu right away, the Kaioshins were worriying and to reassure them he told them that: 1- Vegeta wouldn't have fused with him anyway. 2- Chibi Buu can't sense them from where they are so they have time to think of something to beat him. Elder Kaioshin, yet again, said they were annoying saiyans because they didn't plan to use the dance and even thought about facing him one on one.

Fourth, Goku was never overly confident of his abilities, he said that if he and Vegeta died, all hope would be lost. Probably because Chibi Buu was strong enough to kill them both(and I don't doubt he was). Goku didn't underestimated his foe yet, he said he would have to go at full power from the beginning if he wants to win.

Fifth, Vegeta was wondering what the hell Goku was doing since at full power he should be strong enough to obliterate Chibi Buu. Goku told that he's been trying but he never had the chance. Now this is where some speculations come into play. Did Goku mean that he never had the chance to obliterate him even at full power or did Goku mean that he could never access his full power. Now, when Goku blasted Chibi Buu with his ''authenthic Kamehameha, Vegeta came and talk to him and Goku told him Chibi Buu was much tougher than he thought. What? Did they actually underestimate him from the beginning? Then again, Goku goes back on the potaras(Didn't he do the same when Shin Buu was talking to them in his body?)

Sixth, it is heavily implied that Goku was slightly stronger than Chibi Buu and Gotenks was slightly stronger than Shin Buu. Shin Buu while getting hit by someone a bit stronger was taking heavy damage, even after regeneration he was pissed and his power was actually going down. Look at the last moments of his fight with SSJ3 Gotenks, Gotenks started to completely dominate him and was about to finish him off but the SSJ3 worn out for some reason. In fact, SSJ3 Gotenks was a good margain stronger than Shin Buu, not just a bit. Look what happens when he finally decides the fight is dragging for too long:

I think Shin Buu is in fact not as strong as we give him credit for, he was never that close to SSJ3 Gotenks. Look at Gotenks, he's smiling when he's about to finish off Shin Buu, the fight was never that hard for him, he wasn't worn out like Shin Buu was, he still had all his power and when he was pissed he literally dominated Shin Buu and never let him a chance to fight back. Goku even commented that Gohan might not have to go fight Shin Buu when Gotenks was about to kill Shin Buu. Look at Buu's face after he got the beating, he was bleeding and completely out. SSJ3 Gotenks could have just done that from the beginning but he was fooling around. I think he's in fact way stronger than Shin Buu and not barely above like it is heavily implied. Also, SSJ Gotenks was able to damage Shin Buu. It wasn't near life threatining but Buu deemed the ghost so dangerous that he didn't want to get blasted by them again. It's Buu who has ridiculous regenerative abilities. When something isn't damaging in the slightest, he takes it head on and regenerates. He was even really pissed when he regenerated after all the ghosts attacked him. SSJ Gotenks wasn't close to Shin Buu, but still close enough to damage him at the very least. It wouldn't make sense that SSJ3 Gotenks would be barely stronger if SSJ Gotenks was already enough to hurt Shin Buu. SSJ3 Gotenks shoudl logically be much stronger. I don't think Shin Buu is that strong, we give him too much credit. He was never close to SSJ3 Gotenks. Only his regeneration kept him in the fight.

Seventh, I don't know who it was but when they were desperate against Chibi Buu, Goku or Vegeta mentionned something about bringing Gotenks or Gohan to help them out. Sure, they wouldn't just help, they would actually just finish him off. Still, Goku and Vegeta had heavily underestimate Chibi Buu from the beginning.

Last but not least, when Goku did his Genki-Dama at the end, even with all Gohan's Ki it was appearantly not enough to kill Chibi Buu. Not only was there Gohan's Ki, there was Goten's, Trunks, Piccolo etc. I believe they were probably going for overkill but SSJ3 Gotenks alone was strong enough to wipe out Shin Buu and yet Gohan's massive Ki is still not enough to ensure victory? Yet again, underestimating Chibi Buu.

I believe Shin Buu and Chibi Buu are much closer than we thought but as always, feel free to disagree and to give your point of view. That is all.

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ps2_master94 · 09-01-2008

i think super buu is much stronger than kid buu

**Majuub** · 09-01-2008

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i think super buu is much stronger than kid buu

That's exactly the kind of answer I didn't want to read. Irrelevant, without any explanations, no details, just stating his opinion when I specifically stated why I didn't think they were that far away. That my friend is spam. It isn't a versus thread. Thank you.

This isn't to prove:

Chibi Buu>Shin Buu

It's to disprove:

Shin Bu>>>(Insert light years)>>>Chibi Buu

Honestly, by absorbing one Kaioshin Chibi Buu became stronger than Shin Buu. They aren't that far apart.

ps2_master94 · 09-01-2008

well if you want to complain about it. here is why i think so.

super buu is stronger than ss3 gotenks. ss gotenks is stronger than ss3 goku. ss3 goku is stronger than kid buu.

Evil Vegeta · 09-01-2008

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Fifth, Vegeta was wondering what the hell Goku was doing since at full power he should be strong enough to obliterate Chibi Buu. Goku told that he's been trying but he never had the chance. Now this is where some speculations come into play. Did Goku mean that he never had the chance to obliterate him even at full power or did Goku mean that he could never access his full power. Now, when Goku blasted Chibi Buu with his ''authenthic Kamehameha, Vegeta came and talk to him and Goku told him Chibi Buu was much tougher than he thought. What? Did they actually underestimate him from the beginning? Then again, Goku goes back on the potaras(Didn't he do the same when Shin Buu was talking to them in his body?)

I don't think Goku had the chance to use an amplified attack to decimate Kid Buu. That's what I believe he meant, because Buu isn't going to stand there and allow him to generate enough power for a special attack. Goku also thought it would've been much easier if they used the potara, but thought it was absolute must against Super Buu.

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I think Shin Buu is in fact not as strong as we give him credit for, he was never that close to SSJ3 Gotenks. Look at Gotenks, he's smiling when he's about to finish off Shin Buu, the fight was never that hard for him, he wasn't worn out like Shin Buu was, he still had all his power and when he was pissed he literally dominated Shin Buu and never let him a chance to fight back. Goku even commented that Gohan might not have to go fight Shin Buu when Gotenks was about to kill Shin Buu. Look at Buu's face after he got the beating, he was bleeding and completely out. SSJ3 Gotenks could have just done that from the beginning but he was fooling around. I think he's in fact way stronger than Shin Buu and not barely above like it is heavily implied. Also, SSJ Gotenks was able to damage Shin Buu. It wasn't near life threatining but Buu deemed the ghost so dangerous that he didn't want to get blasted by them again. It's Buu who has ridiculous regenerative abilities. When something isn't damaging in the slightest, he takes it head on and regenerates. He was even really pissed when he regenerated after all the ghosts attacked him. SSJ Gotenks wasn't close to Shin Buu, but still close enough to damage him at the very least. It wouldn't make sense that SSJ3 Gotenks would be barely stronger if SSJ Gotenks was already enough to hurt Shin Buu. SSJ3 Gotenks shoudl logically be much stronger. I don't think Shin Buu is that strong, we give him too much credit. He was never close to SSJ3 Gotenks. Only his regeneration kept him in the fight.

I disagree with that. After Gotenks used that Shine Shine Missile attack, Buu came out pissed, and Piccolo stated that Buu never thought he would come across someone equal to him in power, or along those lines. Once Gohan arrived, Buu stated "he could never allow anyone to be stronger then him", which is, of course, a reference to Gohan. Buu even said he sensed Gohan's power to slowly increase from the Kaioshin planet, so it's possible that he didn't even use full-power against Gotenks, since he was awaiting Gohan's arrival. Gotenks was a bit stronger, but not a whole lot stronger.

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Seventh, I don't know who it was but when they were desperate against Chibi Buu, Goku or Vegeta mentionned something about bringing Gotenks or Gohan to help them out. Sure, they wouldn't just help, they would actually just finish him off. Still, Goku and Vegeta had heavily underestimate Chibi Buu from the beginning.

They did underestimate him. Goku even noted that his "chi never decreases", and they never knew he was capable of any infinite stamina like that. Goku was weaker then Kid Buu (in my opinion) because of the chi drain. The SSJ3 form really drained Goku, and he didn't even know it would be that difficult to maintain. Before the battle started, he told Vegeta he likely wouldn't have a chance. He never knew he couldn't generate efficient attacks in the form with the chi drain.

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Last but not least, when Goku did his Genki-Dama at the end, even with all Gohan's Ki it was appearantly not enough to kill Chibi Buu. Not only was there Gohan's Ki, there was Goten's, Trunks, Piccolo etc. I believe they were probably going for overkill but SSJ3 Gotenks alone was strong enough to wipe out Shin Buu and yet Gohan's massive Ki is still not enough to ensure victory? Yet again, underestimating Chibi Buu.

It wasn't that the Spirit Bomb was very weak, but more of Goku being weak. They did note that Gohan's energy isn't enough, but I doubt he gave 80-90% of his energy into the attack. Kid Buu also had good resistance, so he deserves credit for that at least.

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I believe Shin Buu and Chibi Buu are much closer than we thought but as always, feel free to disagree and to give your point of view. That is all.

I agree. I don't think the difference is that significant like many others think. There is enough of a difference for Super Buu to easily thrash him, though.

**Majuub** · 09-01-2008

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well if you want to complain about it. here is why i think so.

super buu is stronger than ss3 gotenks. ss gotenks is stronger than ss3 goku. ss3 goku is stronger than kid buu.

SSJ3 Gotenks thrashing Shin Buu disagrees with you.

Hero · 09-01-2008

Interesting theory, but how close exactly do you think they are?

ps2master - SSJ3 Gotenks was obviously more powerful than Shin Buu -_-.

And does anyone have a quote/scan of when Goku or Vegeta considered asking Gotenks or Gohan for help?

Tyrant · 09-01-2008

Beautiful post Majuub. Well-worded, well-thought out, good evidence. Excellent use of spoilers and manga scans etc. No bias.

10/10

Evil Vegeta · 09-01-2008

Goku: I know! You're going to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight with us!

ps2_master94 · 09-01-2008

super buu was holding back, as stated by piccolo, plus super buu even said he sensed gohans power and was waiting for him to come. his fight was just a warmup

Hero · 09-01-2008

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Goku: I know! You're going to get Gohan and Gotenks to fight with us!

Page Number?

Evil Vegeta · 09-01-2008

It's on pg.165.

**Majuub** · 09-01-2008

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I don't think Goku had the chance to use an amplified attack to decimate Kid Buu. That's what I believe he meant, because Buu isn't going to stand there and allow him to generate enough power for a special attack. Goku also thought it would've been much easier if they used the potara, but thought it was absolute must against Super Buu.

Alright, fairly possible. Point is, Goku never noticed the SSJ3 was draining Ki until he reverted back to his base form. His power was going down but he still thought he was strong enough to win and even said he was overestimating himself.

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I disagree with that. After Gotenks used that Shine Shine Missile attack, Buu came out pissed, and Piccolo stated that Buu never thought he would come across someone equal to him in power, or along those lines. Once Gohan arrived, Buu stated "he could never allow anyone to be stronger then him", which is, of course, a reference to Gohan. Buu even said he sensed Gohan's power to slowly increase from the Kaioshin planet, so it's possible that he didn't even use full-power against Gotenks, since he was awaiting Gohan's arrival. Gotenks was a bit stronger, but not a whole lot stronger.

In my book it's written that Shin Buu never thought someone strong enough to fend him off was possible. Piccolo add to that by saying not only his physical state was damaged but his mental state also. Even with Piccolo's comment, Gotenks was obviously about to finish off Shin Buu and Goku did say that Gohan might be left unused after all. Shin Buu's statement holds little merit if you ask me. He thought he was almighty and invicible he was even laughing when Gohan was standing before him even if Gohan was much stronger. Buu also believed Vegeto wasn't stronger than him and he needed a severe beating to be convinced that he was actually weaker than SSJ Vegeto. The same could have been said for Shin Buu in my opinion, he refused to aknowledge Gotenks superiority even if he was about to be killed. Still good points though.

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They did underestimate him. Goku even noted that his "chi never decreases", and they never knew he was capable of any infinite stamina like that. Goku was weaker then Kid Buu (in my opinion) because of the chi drain. The SSJ3 form really drained Goku, and he didn't even know it would be that difficult to maintain. Before the battle started, he told Vegeta he likely wouldn't have a chance. He never knew he couldn't generate efficient attacks in the form with the chi drain.

That's all right, nothing to disagree with. I was wondering, are the other Buus capable of infinite stamina, because it doesn't seem like such.

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It wasn't that the Spirit Bomb was very weak, but more of Goku being weak. They did note that Gohan's energy isn't enough, but I doubt he gave 80-90% of his energy into the attack. Kid Buu also had good resistance, so he deserves credit for that at least.

Well, Goku's power didn't influence the Genki-Dama that much. They also specifically stated that they would take the energy from everyone. Not just a little bit, but Vegeta said they would completely drain everyone from their Ki. There was no mention of Gohan being treated differently. You're right, Chibi Buu has good resistance, if he's strong enough to resist let's say Gohan's 50% power, then how in the world would SSJ3 Goku would be enough to kill him. I say 50% power because I think it is minimal since they said they would take all the Ki from everyone. Edit: Goku was just not strong enough to push it because he was worn out, he went SSJ and that was easily enough to push Chibi Buu.

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I agree. I don't think the difference is that significant like many others think. There is enough of a difference for Super Buu to easily thrash him, though.

Not disagreeing with this either, but honestly, Goku might not have been stronger than Chibi Buu after all. He was always going back on his words.

I'm just trying to see the light as to where to put Chibi Buu's strength exactly. I need help for that.

Evil Vegeta · 09-01-2008

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Alright, fairly possible. Point is, Goku never noticed the SSJ3 was draining Ki until he reverted back to his base form. His power was going down but he still thought he was strong enough to win and even said he was overestimating himself.

I think Goku started to understand the chi drain when he was tryin to gather his power. Rememeber when he said he "got close to full-power", but his power just started to go down? I think that's when he realized it, or after he used that real Kame-Hame-Ha.

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In my book it's written that Shin Buu never thought someone strong enough to fend him off was possible. Piccolo add to that by saying not only his physical state was damaged but his mental state also. Even with Piccolo's comment, Gotenks was obviously about to finish off Shin Buu and Goku did say that Gohan might be left unused after all. Shin Buu's statement holds little merit if you ask me. He thought he was almighty and invicible he was even laughing when Gohan was standing before him even if Gohan was much stronger. Buu also believed Vegeto wasn't stronger than him and he needed a severe beating to be convinced that he was actually weaker than SSJ Vegeto. The same could have been said for Shin Buu in my opinion, he refused to aknowledge Gotenks superiority even if he was about to be killed. Still good points though.

I think Gotenks saw an opening and took advantage of it. His mouth beam did considerable damage, so he had to have been a bit stronger at that point. Piccolo says nearly the complete opposite in my book. He mentions that Buu "may not be weakened physically, but he is mentally", and that's when Gotenks stated he was the strongest in the universe. I think Gotenks is stronger, but I don't think there is nearly enough of a difference to consider him much stronger, though. Buu initially thought he was above SSJ Vegito, but after being slapped around a bit, he started whining about how it's not fair that they fused, and other crap. It also just tells us he sucks at sensing power, or just doesn't care. Gohan also seemed okay when Gotenks fused, so they can't be weaker, that's for sure. I just think they're nearly equal, but Gotenks is above him in power.

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That's all right, nothing to disagree with. I was wondering, are the other Buus capable of infinite stamina, because it doesn't seem like such.

You would think Gotenks Buu or Gohan Buu would have the ability. We never see Gotenks Buu regenerate, but Gohan Buu did. It's kinda difficult to understand if they have infinite stamina. Even though they're several times more powerful then Kid Buu, they're still held back to an extent, since they have a mind, and understand what to do. Kid Buu is a monster, and I think he really does have infinite stamina. Super Buu looked weakened everytime he got kicked around, but we never saw Kid Buu get kicked around, since he was stronger then SSJ3 Goku. So it's all a matter of opinion.

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Well, Goku's power didn't influence the Genki-Dama that much. They also specifically stated that they would take the energy from everyone. Not just a little bit, but Vegeta said they would completely drain everyone from their Ki. There was no mention of Gohan being treated differently. You're right, Chibi Buu has good resistance, if he's strong enough to resist let's say Gohan's 50% power, then how in the world would SSJ3 Goku would be enough to kill him. I say 50% power because I think it is minimal since they said they would take all the Ki from everyone. Edit: Goku was just not strong enough to push it because he was worn out, he went SSJ and that was easily enough to push Chibi Buu.

I know that Vegeta stated SSJ3 Goku at full-power would be enough to wipe him out, but then that means Full-Power SSJ3 Goku>Initial Spirit Bomb, and I don't agree with that. I'm not even sure Goku would've been able to finish him like that. See, it's not like Goku stating without a shade of doubt like he did with Majin Buu, and it was Vegeta stating it, with Goku kinda agreeing, but still believing the potara would've made the battle easier. He didn't seem so confident at that point, so his maximum power might not have been enough, depending on how you see certain quotes.

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Not disagreeing with this either, but honestly, Goku might not have been stronger than Chibi Buu after all. He was always going back on his words.

Yeah, I always thought Goku was, but not anymore. If anything, Kid Buu had the upperhand the entire battle, and Goku can't maintain a good enough level of power to be above Kid Buu in power, anyway.

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I'm just trying to see the light as to where to put Chibi Buu's strength exactly. I need help for that.

Well, it's still kinda difficult to, but we can agree he's more powerful then SSJ3 Goku.

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Majuub Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,090 Rep Power: 157	Chibi Buu, stronger than we thought? Alright, I'm opening the pandora box yet again. It seems this individual might be a bit stronger than we all think. Why? When Shin Buu was reverting to Buff Buu, they said his Ki got bigger. When he finally reverted to his original state, they said that now they could take him on. Note, they never specifically stated that his Ki went down or anything, but with their statement, it was heavily implied. Now, Goku is sure he can PROBABLY beat Chibi Buu. Goku and Vegeta somewhat went back on their words by stating Buu's Ki was getting bigger and by laughing at him shortly after. Secondly, when they were on the Kaioshinkai, the Elder Kaioshin was the one to quickly tell Kibitoshin to give his potaras to Goku and Vegeta when Chibi Buu regenerated. Elder Kaioshin is probably the character who's the most efficient at sensing Ki in the series. He knew Kibitoshin was never that strong, he knew why Vegeto was so powerful, he knew Gohan had the highest potential(enough to thrash Shin Buu) and he also unlocked Gohan's potential. We must give him credit, he is great when it comes down to guauge power. When Goku and Vegeta refused the potaras, he freaked out because he thought they(unfused) wouldn't be enough to kill Chibi Buu. Third, Goku didn't plan to fight Chibi Buu right away, the Kaioshins were worriying and to reassure them he told them that: 1- Vegeta wouldn't have fused with him anyway. 2- Chibi Buu can't sense them from where they are so they have time to think of something to beat him. Elder Kaioshin, yet again, said they were annoying saiyans because they didn't plan to use the dance and even thought about facing him one on one. Fourth, Goku was never overly confident of his abilities, he said that if he and Vegeta died, all hope would be lost. Probably because Chibi Buu was strong enough to kill them both(and I don't doubt he was). Goku didn't underestimated his foe yet, he said he would have to go at full power from the beginning if he wants to win. Fifth, Vegeta was wondering what the hell Goku was doing since at full power he should be strong enough to obliterate Chibi Buu. Goku told that he's been trying but he never had the chance. Now this is where some speculations come into play. Did Goku mean that he never had the chance to obliterate him even at full power or did Goku mean that he could never access his full power. Now, when Goku blasted Chibi Buu with his ''authenthic Kamehameha, Vegeta came and talk to him and Goku told him Chibi Buu was much tougher than he thought. What? Did they actually underestimate him from the beginning? Then again, Goku goes back on the potaras(Didn't he do the same when Shin Buu was talking to them in his body?) Sixth, it is heavily implied that Goku was slightly stronger than Chibi Buu and Gotenks was slightly stronger than Shin Buu. Shin Buu while getting hit by someone a bit stronger was taking heavy damage, even after regeneration he was pissed and his power was actually going down. Look at the last moments of his fight with SSJ3 Gotenks, Gotenks started to completely dominate him and was about to finish him off but the SSJ3 worn out for some reason. In fact, SSJ3 Gotenks was a good margain stronger than Shin Buu, not just a bit. Look what happens when he finally decides the fight is dragging for too long: I think Shin Buu is in fact not as strong as we give him credit for, he was never that close to SSJ3 Gotenks. Look at Gotenks, he's smiling when he's about to finish off Shin Buu, the fight was never that hard for him, he wasn't worn out like Shin Buu was, he still had all his power and when he was pissed he literally dominated Shin Buu and never let him a chance to fight back. Goku even commented that Gohan might not have to go fight Shin Buu when Gotenks was about to kill Shin Buu. Look at Buu's face after he got the beating, he was bleeding and completely out. SSJ3 Gotenks could have just done that from the beginning but he was fooling around. I think he's in fact way stronger than Shin Buu and not barely above like it is heavily implied. Also, SSJ Gotenks was able to damage Shin Buu. It wasn't near life threatining but Buu deemed the ghost so dangerous that he didn't want to get blasted by them again. It's Buu who has ridiculous regenerative abilities. When something isn't damaging in the slightest, he takes it head on and regenerates. He was even really pissed when he regenerated after all the ghosts attacked him. SSJ Gotenks wasn't close to Shin Buu, but still close enough to damage him at the very least. It wouldn't make sense that SSJ3 Gotenks would be barely stronger if SSJ Gotenks was already enough to hurt Shin Buu. SSJ3 Gotenks shoudl logically be much stronger. I don't think Shin Buu is that strong, we give him too much credit. He was never close to SSJ3 Gotenks. Only his regeneration kept him in the fight. Seventh, I don't know who it was but when they were desperate against Chibi Buu, Goku or Vegeta mentionned something about bringing Gotenks or Gohan to help them out. Sure, they wouldn't just help, they would actually just finish him off. Still, Goku and Vegeta had heavily underestimate Chibi Buu from the beginning. Last but not least, when Goku did his Genki-Dama at the end, even with all Gohan's Ki it was appearantly not enough to kill Chibi Buu. Not only was there Gohan's Ki, there was Goten's, Trunks, Piccolo etc. I believe they were probably going for overkill but SSJ3 Gotenks alone was strong enough to wipe out Shin Buu and yet Gohan's massive Ki is still not enough to ensure victory? Yet again, underestimating Chibi Buu. I believe Shin Buu and Chibi Buu are much closer than we thought but as always, feel free to disagree and to give your point of view. That is all. __________________

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Hero (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: USA Posts: 3,166 Rep Power: 135	Re: Chibi Buu, stronger than we thought? Interesting theory, but how close exactly do you think they are? ps2master - SSJ3 Gotenks was obviously more powerful than Shin Buu -_-. And does anyone have a quote/scan of when Goku or Vegeta considered asking Gotenks or Gohan for help? __________________ Top 5 Manga: 1. Dragon Ball 2. One Piece 3. Hunter x Hunter 4. Vagabond 5. Hikaru No Go Dragon Ball/Z Power Levels

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ps2_master94 (16) Master of Kaio-ken Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 594 Rep Power: 5	Re: Chibi Buu, stronger than we thought? super buu was holding back, as stated by piccolo, plus super buu even said he sensed gohans power and was waiting for him to come. his fight was just a warmup