How strong is Tenshinhan? - Page 53

Remixxx · 09-24-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

They never showed the training. Well, in one of the cover pages, it showed Tien training by himself, Piccolo meditating, Chaitzu talkin to Kaio, and Yamcha chasing Bubbles.

That's about the only training we saw, and they all had their unweighted clothes on everytime we saw them on Kaio's, except Piccolo that is.

So Goku went from 416 to 9000 on King kai ...he became like 22x or somethin times more powerfull....

So the humans should atleast get the same increase in power as he did after King Kai disregarding that Tien spent 258 days there and that he wanted to train a lot harder then Goku

ANB · 09-24-2008

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So the humans should atleast get the same increase in power as he did after King Kai disregarding that Tien spent 258 days there and that he wanted to train a lot harder then Goku

But Tenshinhan stated even thought he will train longer and harder (even training in new, innovative ways; his own "twist" on things) he STILL won't improve as much as Goku.

I think what we can uncerstand from that is that Kaio's training eventually doesn't help as much depending on how strong you already are. Someone with a power-level of a zillion can't get much gain chasing a monkey that moves about 0.0005% slower than him. Even if he is in 10x the gravity he's used to.

Dupe of USSJed · 09-25-2008

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Originally Posted by vicdmx

I´m not even going to waste my effort with you anymore, think what you want I really don´t care anymore, if I am pissing you off then why post back? please use a little sense if you have any.

And when the hell did I say that I know the answer? don´t put words in my mouth, I´m just giving a opinion and I´m tired of giving evidence/proof if you want just re-look/read all this topic from page 1 to this one.

And I just come to this topic to see what you people put, and then give my opinion, if it´s needed then I will offer proof/evidence, but if it´s not needed I won´t waste effort/time on it.

I just wish that someone made a ¨Final Tien Topic¨, like a sticky or something, now that´s all, I´m off now.

Then what the heck is this then?:

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Why is everyone super-powering the humans? please Tien at best is 100,000 at the Buu Arc, and in the End of Z he is probably at around 150,000.

Above Ginyu, that is all.

Words like 'opinion' and 'probably' go a long way.

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But Tenshinhan stated even thought he will train longer and harder (even training in new, innovative ways; his own "twist" on things) he STILL won't improve as much as Goku.

Can you give the quote? From what I remember, Tien says he will never catch up with Goku by using the same training as him.

Edit: "I can't hope to surpass Goku at the same training regimen...But if I master the essentials of the technique... And add a few twists of my own... I should be able to avoid another humiliating defeat."

Hmm, I can see how you might get 'another humiliating defeat against Goku' from that.

Handle-The-Vibe · 09-25-2008

The main thing that messes up trying to gauge Tien's strength is when he fights off the Ginyu force on King Kai's planet. As, if you take that into account, then it means that Tien improved at a higher rate than Goku and potentially increased his strength 40 fold.

As for his PL by the end of Z I think it's important to keep the humans in check. I doubt he exceeded 180,000.

Dupe of USSJed · 09-25-2008

That was filler, therefore it gets ignored entirely in manga discussions :)

Vicdmx · 09-25-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Then what the heck is this then?:

Words like 'opinion' and 'probably' go a long way.

Can you give the quote? From what I remember, Tien says he will never catch up with Goku by using the same training as him.

Edit: "I can't hope to surpass Goku at the same training regimen...But if I master the essentials of the technique... And add a few twists of my own... I should be able to avoid another humiliating defeat."

Hmm, I can see how you might get 'another humiliating defeat against Goku' from that.

Well I was giving my opinion that he is stronger than Ginyu(my opinion though), I could be wrong/right I don´t care, I´m just asking you now why do you think Tien is in the low millions?

Remixxx · 09-25-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Then what the heck is this then?:

Words like 'opinion' and 'probably' go a long way.

Can you give the quote? From what I remember, Tien says he will never catch up with Goku by using the same training as him.

Edit: "I can't hope to surpass Goku at the same training regimen...But if I master the essentials of the technique... And add a few twists of my own... I should be able to avoid another humiliating defeat."

Hmm, I can see how you might get 'another humiliating defeat against Goku' from that.

So what does that mean now...If he does the same training as Goku ...he doesnt think that he could reach the level of Goku....but if he adds his own twist he can reach that level if not he could even become stronger right???'

Dupe of USSJed · 09-25-2008

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Well I was giving my opinion that he is stronger than Ginyu(my opinion though), I could be wrong/right I don´t care, I´m just asking you now why do you think Tien is in the low millions?

I don't think anything. Like I have said before, I am accumulating data and will make a USSJed's Final Tien topic. Once I get the weight training effects down, I can finish it. Hopefully it will be up today or tomorrow. Whatever comes up will be my opinion of Tien's power, be it 1,000 or 1,000,000.

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So what does that mean now...If he does the same training as Goku ...he doesnt think that he could reach the level of Goku....but if he adds his own twist he can reach that level if not he could even become stronger right???'

Who knows, depends on if he saw the Kaioken or the SSJ when he said that. I think he knew about the Kaioken as he mentioned the x10 at some point, so he may be referring to how he might beat a Goku that can just multiply is power with ease.

Remixxx · 09-25-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Who knows, depends on if he saw the Kaioken or the SSJ when he said that. I think he knew about the Kaioken as he mentioned the x10 at some point, so he may be referring to how he might beat a Goku that can just multiply is power with ease.

How much did it take Goku to reach King Kais?...because i need that to figure out was he talking about Kaioken Goku

That Quote means that if he does the same training as Goku he wont be abel to become stronger then him......but if he puts his own twist he would be stronger then Goku

Dupe of USSJed · 09-25-2008

He says humiliating defeat. Perhaps he can go from utter fail to near equal or something? A spectacular battle with a slight defeat for Tien, rather than a 1 sided rapestomp like at the 23rd budokai?

Remixxx · 09-25-2008

How much did it take Goku to reach King Kais?...was that stated

Because the humans arrived there a lot faster then Goku i think....

How strong was Goku Kaioken x4?

When Tien said"following the same regime of training" that indicates that he already saw how strong Goku was against Vegeta and knows how strong Goku is .....that quote wouldnt make sense if he didnt know how strong Goku really was and would be just a guess from his side.....

SuperTien · 09-25-2008

Reasons I think Tien and the other humans are around or over the low millions:

Tien and the others sensed a most likely supressed freeza and still showed up to fight beings much more powerful than that.

the one hundred millions is not that impressive by that time ,Even ginyu in the freeza saga was not that impressive , Goku near reached it in a week and Vegeta out matched it a few times over in a namekain day. I would thnik AT's 3 year training for his characters would push even the humans far above wha many think.

AT also made Piccolo very strong from just being on kai's for a short time and doing hardly any training, AT makes characters as strong as he wishes them, giving them a numeric number holds them back from doing anything.

Gero sensed yamcha's powerlevel, thinking it was goku, That's speaking priddy high if you ask me , He made his own body into a being with a level probably in the hundreds of millions, if yamcha has a level of what they thought goku would have, how could yamcha have a low level such as 40,000? 4,000,000 seems fare enough.

The humans seem to think they can help out up until they actually fight with the nadroids, after that piccolo tells them they should no they cant help, but they stil show up to fight cell, They must really fall behind after this, but still showing up to fight cell, how could tien show up with a powerlevel of 100,000?

Ginyu with a level of 100,000 Not that impressive, Freeza seems to have anatural power of enormous power, goku a super saiyan, and king kold, like freza seems to just be powerful, then vegeta a prince of the saiyans and all the fighting he does gives him a highlevel, Piccolo fusion with a powerful namek, The hmans have king kai and the best training they can come up with. Least they have to work for it, Ginyu could have stolen that body!!! Some hoe that body of his got up to 100,000 but instead of training it he seems to trade bodies with stronger beings.

We have no idea what ever one did on earth in those 3 years, We priddy much know piccolo sparred heavily with goku as a super saiyan to get his level caught up, vegeta eneded up about equal to goku in power, what gives him the abilit to be on level with a super saiyan is becoming a super saiyan. His base was equal to that of goku's but he was at least a couple to few million behind Goku. He made up that difference so he added around 3 million to his powerlevel. We can think ; why can't the humans add at least one third of what vegeta did in the three year and add a million to their levels.
The weaker catch up faster to the strongest. The strongest slow down in gains. Kind of like piccolo , he caught up to ssj goku but he level off for a bit, if vegeta would have trained with goku maybe he could have had his base steadily increase to a supersaiyan level then become a supersaiyan and be as powerful as he would have been in buu saga. But vegeta is dumb , and if akira did that there would be no story and vegeta would kill everyone and rule heuniverse after asking for eternal life.

People think the humans , oh they wouldn't gain that much, well they could and probably did make it to the millions.

the predator · 09-26-2008

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Originally Posted by SuperTien

Reasons I think Tien and the other humans are around or over the low millions:

Tien and the others sensed a most likely supressed freeza and still showed up to fight beings much more powerful than that.

the one hundred millions is not that impressive by that time ,Even ginyu in the freeza saga was not that impressive , Goku near reached it in a week and Vegeta out matched it a few times over in a namekain day. I would thnik AT's 3 year training for his characters would push even the humans far above wha many think.

AT also made Piccolo very strong from just being on kai's for a short time and doing hardly any training, AT makes characters as strong as he wishes them, giving them a numeric number holds them back from doing anything.

Gero sensed yamcha's powerlevel, thinking it was goku, That's speaking priddy high if you ask me , He made his own body into a being with a level probably in the hundreds of millions, if yamcha has a level of what they thought goku would have, how could yamcha have a low level such as 40,000? 4,000,000 seems fare enough.

The humans seem to think they can help out up until they actually fight with the nadroids, after that piccolo tells them they should no they cant help, but they stil show up to fight cell, They must really fall behind after this, but still showing up to fight cell, how could tien show up with a powerlevel of 100,000?

Ginyu with a level of 100,000 Not that impressive, Freeza seems to have anatural power of enormous power, goku a super saiyan, and king kold, like freza seems to just be powerful, then vegeta a prince of the saiyans and all the fighting he does gives him a highlevel, Piccolo fusion with a powerful namek, The hmans have king kai and the best training they can come up with. Least they have to work for it, Ginyu could have stolen that body!!! Some hoe that body of his got up to 100,000 but instead of training it he seems to trade bodies with stronger beings.

We have no idea what ever one did on earth in those 3 years, We priddy much know piccolo sparred heavily with goku as a super saiyan to get his level caught up, vegeta eneded up about equal to goku in power, what gives him the abilit to be on level with a super saiyan is becoming a super saiyan. His base was equal to that of goku's but he was at least a couple to few million behind Goku. He made up that difference so he added around 3 million to his powerlevel. We can think ; why can't the humans add at least one third of what vegeta did in the three year and add a million to their levels.
The weaker catch up faster to the strongest. The strongest slow down in gains. Kind of like piccolo , he caught up to ssj goku but he level off for a bit, if vegeta would have trained with goku maybe he could have had his base steadily increase to a supersaiyan level then become a supersaiyan and be as powerful as he would have been in buu saga. But vegeta is dumb , and if akira did that there would be no story and vegeta would kill everyone and rule heuniverse after asking for eternal life.

People think the humans , oh they wouldn't gain that much, well they could and probably did make it to the millions.

Fucking decent post, I think this way of thinking holds more than any sort of proof. This is because were are going into the creator's mind and not using data and concepts from our world.

This is the DBZ world, we must think like Akira not fucking try to mathematically solve everything. Besides Akira constantly contradicts himself, the contrast between our world and the dbz world is too great to make sense of. Even though we may be able to solve all the plotholes we just know that they were not intended to be analyzed so deeply, so for god's sake just cut it out already!

Tien was as strong as a SSj in the Cell saga end of story

Hero · 09-26-2008

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Tien was as strong as a SSj in the Cell saga end of story

What the hell? You realize it was stated he was weaker than Piccolo(who was weaker than a SSJ), right?

the predator · 09-26-2008

No Piccolo was stronger than SSJ and I'm just mad because you people keep going on and on and on and on, hell if Akira read this topic even HE would wonder 'how strong is tienshinhan?' its getting friggin annoying just come to a point already

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Handle-The-Vibe (1) Earthling Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Re: How strong is Tenshinhan? The main thing that messes up trying to gauge Tien's strength is when he fights off the Ginyu force on King Kai's planet. As, if you take that into account, then it means that Tien improved at a higher rate than Goku and potentially increased his strength 40 fold. As for his PL by the end of Z I think it's important to keep the humans in check. I doubt he exceeded 180,000.

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,539 Rep Power: 195	Re: How strong is Tenshinhan? That was filler, therefore it gets ignored entirely in manga discussions :) __________________ Is Tien fucking strong? Damn right he is. http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/ani...hs-humans.html SSJ3 Gotenks kicks ass btw.

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,539 Rep Power: 195	Re: How strong is Tenshinhan? He says humiliating defeat. Perhaps he can go from utter fail to near equal or something? A spectacular battle with a slight defeat for Tien, rather than a 1 sided rapestomp like at the 23rd budokai? __________________ Is Tien fucking strong? Damn right he is. http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/ani...hs-humans.html SSJ3 Gotenks kicks ass btw.

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Remixxx (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Neptune Posts: 3,448 Rep Power: 70	Re: How strong is Tenshinhan? How much did it take Goku to reach King Kais?...was that stated Because the humans arrived there a lot faster then Goku i think.... How strong was Goku Kaioken x4? When Tien said"following the same regime of training" that indicates that he already saw how strong Goku was against Vegeta and knows how strong Goku is .....that quote wouldnt make sense if he didnt know how strong Goku really was and would be just a guess from his side..... __________________

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SuperTien (18) Artificial Human Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 794 Rep Power: 29	Re: How strong is Tenshinhan? Reasons I think Tien and the other humans are around or over the low millions: Tien and the others sensed a most likely supressed freeza and still showed up to fight beings much more powerful than that. the one hundred millions is not that impressive by that time ,Even ginyu in the freeza saga was not that impressive , Goku near reached it in a week and Vegeta out matched it a few times over in a namekain day. I would thnik AT's 3 year training for his characters would push even the humans far above wha many think. AT also made Piccolo very strong from just being on kai's for a short time and doing hardly any training, AT makes characters as strong as he wishes them, giving them a numeric number holds them back from doing anything. Gero sensed yamcha's powerlevel, thinking it was goku, That's speaking priddy high if you ask me , He made his own body into a being with a level probably in the hundreds of millions, if yamcha has a level of what they thought goku would have, how could yamcha have a low level such as 40,000? 4,000,000 seems fare enough. The humans seem to think they can help out up until they actually fight with the nadroids, after that piccolo tells them they should no they cant help, but they stil show up to fight cell, They must really fall behind after this, but still showing up to fight cell, how could tien show up with a powerlevel of 100,000? Ginyu with a level of 100,000 Not that impressive, Freeza seems to have anatural power of enormous power, goku a super saiyan, and king kold, like freza seems to just be powerful, then vegeta a prince of the saiyans and all the fighting he does gives him a highlevel, Piccolo fusion with a powerful namek, The hmans have king kai and the best training they can come up with. Least they have to work for it, Ginyu could have stolen that body!!! Some hoe that body of his got up to 100,000 but instead of training it he seems to trade bodies with stronger beings. We have no idea what ever one did on earth in those 3 years, We priddy much know piccolo sparred heavily with goku as a super saiyan to get his level caught up, vegeta eneded up about equal to goku in power, what gives him the abilit to be on level with a super saiyan is becoming a super saiyan. His base was equal to that of goku's but he was at least a couple to few million behind Goku. He made up that difference so he added around 3 million to his powerlevel. We can think ; why can't the humans add at least one third of what vegeta did in the three year and add a million to their levels. The weaker catch up faster to the strongest. The strongest slow down in gains. Kind of like piccolo , he caught up to ssj goku but he level off for a bit, if vegeta would have trained with goku maybe he could have had his base steadily increase to a supersaiyan level then become a supersaiyan and be as powerful as he would have been in buu saga. But vegeta is dumb , and if akira did that there would be no story and vegeta would kill everyone and rule heuniverse after asking for eternal life. People think the humans , oh they wouldn't gain that much, well they could and probably did make it to the millions.

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the predator (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,692 Rep Power: 14	Re: How strong is Tenshinhan? No Piccolo was stronger than SSJ and I'm just mad because you people keep going on and on and on and on, hell if Akira read this topic even HE would wonder 'how strong is tienshinhan?' its getting friggin annoying just come to a point already __________________ Sign up for the Official DBZ collaboration Fic here. And read it over here