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Old 08-16-2008   #31 (permalink)
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Goten and Trunks were both born after their fathers had turned Ssj. Vegeta turned Ssj during his training before the Android arrival, where he started a relationship with Bulma. Sometime after, they had Trunks. Bulma had Trunks with her when the Z fighters reformed later to take on the Androids.
How do you know Vegeta turned into a SSJ after Trunks was born? He was already one year old when the Androids arrived.
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Old 08-16-2008   #32 (permalink)
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I'm fairly sure its stated somewhere he was concieved in the week before the Cell games.

Aren't both of them MSSJ though?
Tha would be impossible, Goten would be much older than he was in the Buu saga.

Also, neither of them are MSSJ. Only Goku and Gohan are.

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How do you know Vegeta turned into a SSJ after Trunks was born? He was already one years old when the Androids arrived.
Because Trunks was a natural Super Saiyan, without a near death experience, at the age of 7.
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Strongest woman yes, strongest in the universe, no.
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Strongest woman yes, strongest in the universe, no.
Agreed.

Strongest in the universe is farfetched, completely. I cannt begin to fandom where this is wrong.
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Strongest woman yes, strongest in the universe, no.
I believe that is also incorrect. What about Android 18?
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But the point is that she has the potential to become the stronest in the universe. She has a better chance then what chance Trunks or Goten had.
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But the point is that she has the potential to become the stronest in the universe. She has a better chance then what chance Trunks or Goten had.
Except she wasn't a SSJ at the age of 14.
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No one is saying she's the strongest in the Universe. They are saying, suggesting that she could be on par with those given that title if her training circumstances had of been different.
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Except she wasn't a SSJ at the age of 14.
That's because she stopped training. If she had continued training like she promised Goku she would've been a SSJ probably before Goten and Trunks were.
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No one is saying she's the strongest in the Universe. They are saying, suggesting that she could be on par with those given that title if her training circumstances had of been different.
Look at it the way you want, even with her lineage, Trunks and Goten at age 7 were leaps and bounds ahead of her at age 14. Also, must we keep this a canon discussion because it seems GT is involved. She's 1/4th saiyan, and the fact that Mr Satan, Chi-Chi and Videl are her grandfather, grandmother and mother is irrelevant. There are normal humans, there are humans much stronger than all of them combined. Think of Krillin, Yamcha, Tienshinhan etc.

Yes she has saiyan heritage, but when too much human blood comes into play, I don't see her even reaching SSJ like power. Also, she received no particular training, was never putted under critical conditions and probably never will. I fail to see where Pan could even come close to any SSJ showed in the series.
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Akira did say in an interview that she could become a SSJ, he just wouldn't know how to make her look. I said it before, I'm just restating it cause some people tend to get so caught up they forget.
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Akira did say in an interview that she could become a SSJ, he just wouldn't know how to make her look. I said it before, I'm just restating it cause some people tend to get so caught up they forget.
I thought he was asked why didn't Pan become SSJ and he replied that he never came out with a good design for SSJ females. He never ever said that she could go SSJ =/
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To be fair, she has diluted Saiyan blood.
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He never said she couldn't though.

It's just, I think, regardless of gender (because nothing was ever told, in the manga, or anime, or interviews about the Ssj transformat
What wasn't said doesn't matter, it has to be said to matter. No one said Yajirobe wasn't stronger than Vegeto, it still doesn't mean that he can be stronger. No one said Pan could go SSJ, she never hinted that she could, no one gave a clue that she could, therefore, she can't.
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I thought he was asked why didn't Pan become SSJ and he replied that he never came out with a good design for SSJ females. He never ever said that she could go SSJ =/
That was my mistake. It came out wrong. My bad.
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