Gohan SS2 or SS1 against Dabura - Page 4

Ames · 07-29-2008

Hey, come on now fellow members. Things like this escalate into useless verbal bashing and people get flamed over nothing. I suggest looking through the other older threads that have put this topic to bed and amend loose ends. Everyone's opinion is just as valuable as the other's, but I believe this may be digging up a grave.

SaiyajinPerfection · 07-29-2008

He was only SSj, well, in the manga anyway.

The problem is that it's not really clearly explained why Gohan doesn't want to use SSj2. But from what I remember of volume 35/19, Gohan blamed his own cockiness for Goku's sacrifice against Cell. Plain and simple, he was afraid to fight in that form because he knew that his ability to make decent decisions would be hindered by his cockiness.

Also Gohan's willingness to show it to Kabito was probably because Kabito had simply expressed interest in seeing a Super Saiyan up close, he never made an indication that he wanted to fight one. My best bet is that Gohan saw this, and figured that a display of SSj2 probably wouldn't do any harm.

Senzu_Bean · 07-29-2008

But why not go SSj2 when facing the rebirth of Majin Buu (a foe he knew would immerse the Earth in terror)? Against Dabura is acceptable by that explanation but against Majin Buu I can't see it working. Even more when Son Gohan wanted to be like he was against Cell.

TobiGoodBoy · 07-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

What is that supposed to mean? He can't turn SSJ2? We just saw him use SSJ2 at the tourney. I think Gohan meant he couldn't be powerful and sadistic like before.

He could turn to a SSJ2 but he just didn't want to.

Bogard · 07-29-2008

Senzu: The only explanation I have for that is I THINK that Gohan loss alot of battle knowledge; he didn't know if he should gone SSj1 or SSj2 against Buu. lol.

TobiGoodBoy · 07-29-2008

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Originally Posted by maxoutedssj4

Senzu: The only explanation I have for that is I THINK that Gohan loss alot of battle knowledge; he didn't know if he should gone SSj1 or SSj2 against Buu. lol.

He thought Buu was weaker than him in SSJ I think.

Senzu_Bean · 07-29-2008

That would make Son Gohan the most stupid character in the whole DragonBall universe including filler and movies and even games.

But the thing is Son Gohan wanted to go SSj2(?) when Majin Buu was about to rebirth? If he wanted probably he know he should or he wouldn't wanted... I don't know!

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Originally Posted by gkrt

He thought Buu was weaker than him in SSJ I think.

That IIRC was after Majin Buu got out of the bubble(?) not before Son Gohan wanted to go SSj2(?) and fired a Kamehameha to stopped Majin Buu to revive.

TobiGoodBoy · 07-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Senzu_Bean

That IIRC was after Majin Buu got out of the bubble(?) not before Son Gohan wanted to go SSj2(?) and fired a Kamehameha to stopped Majin Buu to revive.

Buu got out of his egg and Supreme Kai became scared. Gohan then said he could defeat Majin Buu if he was at full power. I don't know if that meant SSJ2 or just full power SSJ. The characters are pretty vague about what they mean by full power.

Like when Gohan transformed into a SSJ2. Cell said he would show him "his true terrible power." Then a couple of minutes later, Cell powers up again.

Senzu_Bean · 07-29-2008

IIRC he only mentioned Majin Buu isn't that scared at all and he probably can beat it (however he didn't mention in what state) but I believe it was in its current form in that sequence, SSj. Though before Majin Buu got out of the "egg" Son Gohan said to himself he has and want to be like he was before, against Cell.

The reason why he didn't ascend into SSj2 is the real problem here.

Ames · 07-29-2008

Doesn't Son Gohan mention something along the lines of, "I'm mad, just not like I was before"? Inferring he wasn't as angry as he was when he held the SSJ2 state.

~~JC#1~~ · 07-30-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Repped. I think that is by far the best explanation I have seen as to why he would use MSSJ over SSJ2

I don't even know what side of the argument I am on. Thats why I hate his argument. Anyway, if Gohan showed no lightning during the whole fight(except possibly while Kamehameha'ing if he even did that), then he was obviously SSJ1, if there is lightning at some point, then he was obviously SSJ2.

There would have been lightning at some point if Gohan hadn't fallen into water. If Dabura=perfect Cell then MSS Gohan (who is weaker because he hasn't been training btw) wouldn't stand a chance against Dabura. BTW, your side of the argument says Gohan wasn't SS2 VS Dabura, my side says he was.

Senzu_Bean · 07-30-2008

Since when water stops lightning in SSj2 form? It isn't like the user got electrocuted.

Dabura is equal to Cell, nobody ever said he was equal to Perfect Cell (such thing doesn't exist even). Son Goku stated Dabura was equal to Cell, using logical Dabura should be equal to Cell that fought SSj Gohan or even SSj Goku. That would make clearly possible a not trained SSj Son Gohan hold against Dabura (who wasn't really giving his maximum).

~~JC#1~~ · 07-30-2008

When your wet, how can you just generate some sparks around you? The electricity (or lightning) around the SS2 is generated by the SS2 of course, and if the person is wet (you say "that's what she said" and I swear to god I'll twist your nuts off) he can't release the generated power, so it just swirls around inside the person.

TobiGoodBoy · 07-30-2008

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Originally Posted by JC#1

When your wet, how can you just generate some sparks around you? The electricity (or lightning) around the SS2 is generated by the SS2 of course, and if the person is wet (you say "that's what she said" and I swear to god I'll twist your nuts off) he can't release the generated power, so it just swirls around inside the person.

~~That's what she said~~

So you're saying that they can't go to SSJ2 in water?

~~JC#1~~ · 07-30-2008

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Originally Posted by gkrt

~~That's what she said~~

So you're saying that they can't go to SSJ2 in water?

No, I'm saying they can go SS2 in water, but the electricity around them doesn't show up if they're wet. You don't need electricity for SS2, you need SS2 for electricity, which is the other way around (duh)

And I'm ok with the "that's what she said" since you put a slash through it

07-29-2008	#46 (permalink)
Ames (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Omnipresent Posts: 1,313 Rep Power: 83	Re: Gohan SS2 or SS1 against Dabura Hey, come on now fellow members. Things like this escalate into useless verbal bashing and people get flamed over nothing. I suggest looking through the other older threads that have put this topic to bed and amend loose ends. Everyone's opinion is just as valuable as the other's, but I believe this may be digging up a grave. __________________ Ignorance is Bliss...

07-29-2008	#47 (permalink)
SaiyajinPerfection (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Not where you are Posts: 1,453 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 22	Re: Gohan SS2 or SS1 against Dabura He was only SSj, well, in the manga anyway. The problem is that it's not really clearly explained why Gohan doesn't want to use SSj2. But from what I remember of volume 35/19, Gohan blamed his own cockiness for Goku's sacrifice against Cell. Plain and simple, he was afraid to fight in that form because he knew that his ability to make decent decisions would be hindered by his cockiness. Also Gohan's willingness to show it to Kabito was probably because Kabito had simply expressed interest in seeing a Super Saiyan up close, he never made an indication that he wanted to fight one. My best bet is that Gohan saw this, and figured that a display of SSj2 probably wouldn't do any harm. __________________ Formerly the member demonkingpiccolo "Let's put a SMILE on that face!" REP OWED: Madness, Madness, Madness, Madness, Frieza the Tyrant, Madness, Madness, SSJBulma, Madness, Madness, Madness, The Green Dragon, Madness....and...oh wait, did I mention Madness?

07-29-2008	#48 (permalink)
Senzu_Bean (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,964 Rep Power: 11	Re: Gohan SS2 or SS1 against Dabura But why not go SSj2 when facing the rebirth of Majin Buu (a foe he knew would immerse the Earth in terror)? Against Dabura is acceptable by that explanation but against Majin Buu I can't see it working. Even more when Son Gohan wanted to be like he was against Cell.

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Bogard (18) Artificial Human Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 895 Rep Power: 43	Re: Gohan SS2 or SS1 against Dabura Senzu: The only explanation I have for that is I THINK that Gohan loss alot of battle knowledge; he didn't know if he should gone SSj1 or SSj2 against Buu. lol.

07-29-2008	#54 (permalink)
Senzu_Bean (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,964 Rep Power: 11	Re: Gohan SS2 or SS1 against Dabura IIRC he only mentioned Majin Buu isn't that scared at all and he probably can beat it (however he didn't mention in what state) but I believe it was in its current form in that sequence, SSj. Though before Majin Buu got out of the "egg" Son Gohan said to himself he has and want to be like he was before, against Cell. The reason why he didn't ascend into SSj2 is the real problem here.

07-29-2008	#55 (permalink)
Ames (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Omnipresent Posts: 1,313 Rep Power: 83	Re: Gohan SS2 or SS1 against Dabura Doesn't Son Gohan mention something along the lines of, "I'm mad, just not like I was before"? Inferring he wasn't as angry as he was when he held the SSJ2 state. __________________ Ignorance is Bliss...

07-30-2008	#57 (permalink)
Senzu_Bean (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,964 Rep Power: 11	Re: Gohan SS2 or SS1 against Dabura Since when water stops lightning in SSj2 form? It isn't like the user got electrocuted. Dabura is equal to Cell, nobody ever said he was equal to Perfect Cell (such thing doesn't exist even). Son Goku stated Dabura was equal to Cell, using logical Dabura should be equal to Cell that fought SSj Gohan or even SSj Goku. That would make clearly possible a not trained SSj Son Gohan hold against Dabura (who wasn't really giving his maximum). Last edited by Senzu_Bean; 07-30-2008 at 03:21 PM.

07-30-2008	#58 (permalink)
~~JC#1~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,806 Rep Power: 0	Re: Gohan SS2 or SS1 against Dabura When your wet, how can you just generate some sparks around you? The electricity (or lightning) around the SS2 is generated by the SS2 of course, and if the person is wet (you say "that's what she said" and I swear to god I'll twist your nuts off) he can't release the generated power, so it just swirls around inside the person.