JC#1

I'm so stupid I actually re-read the entire thread to see if 'stupid' was an actual quote

Anyways, let's read your post...By math Freeza would have to be quite (well, relatively. Its actually only in the decimals) less than 2.5% if he blocked Goku's x20 Kamehameha at 50%, so an exact amount of 2% seems right to me. Everything adds up until you say "barely edged" by SS Goku. SS Goku was quite a bit stronger than Freeza at 100%. He had some trouble against Freeza after the transformation, but it was more like the trouble Freeza had at first just switched around.

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Tyrant

I got 4 mil as his warming up power level and 140 mil as his 100% power. 4 / 140 = 0.02 = 2%.

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DarthVenom9808

I got 4,000,000 for his initial power and 190,000,00 for 100%.

So roughly 2%.

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JC#1

Show me 2%! lol, okay if Freeza is 2% then the SS multiplier has to be over 50, I say 55, but it all depends on what you put base Goku at. (meaning his power level)

Kaio

I don't think it actually matters because apparently, Frieza is able to switch over from around 2% of his power to 75% of his power in instances like Goku did against the Ginyu force. For all we know, that's what he's doing. One reason I believe this is because I couldn't see how a 2% Frieza could deflect Vegeta's Gallic Gun with such ease; and another reason: it could answer how he could've deflected Goku's kaio-ken'd kamehameha attack. So, I think figuring this out is pointless.

JC#1

I don't think its been fluctuating that way. VS Vegeta I have no clue, but while he and Goku were fighting at first, Freeza was 2%, possibly changing it slightly to block attacks or something. He blocked the kamehameha at 50% not 2%. If Goku was equal to Freeza at 2%, then because 2/100=50, Goku's SS multiplier must've been over 50 to beat Freeza at 100%. In my theory, the SS multiplier keeps increasing while the base level has reached the limit.

Kaio

I wasn't trying to imply that Frieza was using 2% of his power against Goku's kaio-ken'd kamehameha, but he could have jumped from 50% to something around 75% when struggling to deflect it with one hand. And it's not really apparant as to whether Goku was equal to Frieza at any percent. They were both toying with each other for lulz until it came down to Goku vs. Frieza without using his hands. Vegeta's Gallic Gun would have to be pretty powerful since he was a lot stronger than Piccolo (who couldn't see Frieza's movements at all); he had to be stronger than suppressed third form Frieza, yet Frieza just totally owns him and deflects his Gallic Gun with ease. I also forgot to mention that no one even realized how much more stronger Frieza's final form was compared to his third form until way later like how nor could they sense any power shifts from his third form power and his final form's power.

JC#1

Its hard to toy with someone who's amillion times stronger than you, seriously. He could have jumped from 50 to 75% yes, and he could have been jumping around with how much power he was using, but for the bulk of the "warm up" part of the fight, Freeza was using 2% and Goku did pretty well against him. Freeza isn't the only one who does this, the obsession with percentage numbers involving Freeza is due to the Daizenshuu and other works that have worded it strangely. Vegeta's used different %s, Piccolo's used different %s, but when it comes to power levels and multipliers, we try not to include the many tiny fluctuations in one's power and instead just give the average level throughout the portion of the fight.

Kaio

I think you're missing my overall point. It's impossible to figure out for sure how much power Frieza was using at any given times because he can greatly increase his power in instances, even though it's apparent that he was caught off guard a few times. In one moment, Goku and Frieza are almost equel; the next, Goku can barely keep up with Frieza even without using his hands; the next moment, Goku is being utterly pwn'd. That's all I have to say about attempting to figure out how much power he was using in what ever instance and such.

JC#1

I see your point, but we're trying to average out all the %s he used in the 1st bit of the fight, and they seem to average into 2%. Maybe every minute he switched between 1 and 3%, then together, the average is 2%. I haven't seen any evidence that Freeza can change how much power he's using so fast anyway, it took him a little to jump to 50%.

Kaio

What makes you think that? One scene, he says he's going to use 50% of his power, the next scene, he disappears in a flash and power drives Goku in the face.

JC#1

One scene isn't 2 seconds man. One scene, Freeza says he'll use 50%, and then he powers up greatly. Then the next scene he hurts Goku like that.

Kaio

There is nothing implying that he "powered up greatly". He just stretched his arms out and then disappeared in a flash. The anime's lightning strike didn't actually happen.

JC#1

I didn't mean "power up greatly" as in you see lightning and he's screaming and shit, I meant he jumped from a small % to 50%. I'm not saying he didn't do it really fast, I'm just saying that he didn't just say "I'll use 50% now" and a milla-second later start destroying Goku. It took him a second or 2 to get to 50%.
edit=Actually I see your point. This has been for my PL list, so I'll put what I thought (2%) in it with a "controversial" note next to it.