Deep Thought

Exactly, which means that, by process of elimination, that getting mad is the only way for Fat Buu to increase his power. Saying anything else is like writing fan-fiction.

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Majuub

Why would he hold back? Obviously because he had no intentions to kill him. It was just to give a little taste of what was coming to Fat Buu. It was just for the show more than anything. That's why he just stopped and quit the fight. He wasn't fighting to win or to hurt Fat Buu, he just wanted to show some of his power. Why would he use it all if he doesn't even want to beat him?

Also, Goku saw Fat Buu was joking right? At first he told Piccolo he wasn't sure if he could have beaten him, that's up to interpretation. Maybe he was stronger, maybe he wasn't. Then at the very end, he tells Vegeta he could have beaten Fat Buu for sure. Why suddenly change his opinion? For the lulz? No, it was because if he told Piccolo he could have beaten him for sure, it would have dragged a long discussion as to why he didn't finish off Fat Buu. Goku knew from the beginning that he was stronger than Fat Buu, he only told Vegeta about this because there was nothing more to hide.

When Goku first time powered up to his SSJ3 state on earth. His power was sensed in the Kaioshinkai and everyone was amazed.

Kibito: Wow, his power can be sensed here?

Gohan: Dad what happened to you?

It obviously means that your power has to be in the same league as an SSJ3 in order to be sensed so far away. When Satan and Bi were killed, Fat Buu got mad like never before, he got so mad that he couldn't contain the anger no more and Aku Buu went out. It means it was the very peak of Fat Buu's anger, at the same time the height of his maximum power. Weird fact huh? No one in the Kaioshinkai sensed it. Now you're going to tell me...well, they weren't paying attention. You'd be right, but when Shin Buu appeared, they felt his Ki right away and were wondering if it was Buu's Ki because the Ki was now awfully stronger than before. They felt Shin Buu's Ki. Why? Because he was above SSJ3 Goku in terms of power. They didn't feel Fat Buu's full power on the Kaioshinkai. Why? Because he's weaker than SSJ3 Goku by a comfortable margain.

There is also this evidence. When Shin Buu and Gotenks were in the ROSAT, Goku stopped feeling their Ki because they were in another dimension. He didn,t know where they were until Elder Kaioshin told him. Still, he wasn't feeling their Ki. When Shin Buu finally escaped from the ROSAT, Goku instantly felt his Ki. When the Ki of someone is so powerful that it can be sensed even in the Kaioshinkai, it forces the people in the Kaioshinkai to pay attention to it. Because a Ki that strong is at the very least in the same league as SSJ3 Goku and that needs particular attention.

Although I have many evidences, none beats this one.

Goku(volume 42): You know Vegeta, I could have beaten the first Fat Buu.

That's directly from Mr Toriyama's pen. He's the one who writes, thus he's the one who made that statement. You believe him or not? I'm not talking about believing Goku because the way it was stated was obviously to tell the reader who was actually stronger between Goku and Fat Buu. That's the very last given answer, therefore the true one.

Goku stated he would go all out against Chibi Buu and still their fight was dead even. It means Chibi Buu is in the same range of power as SSJ3 Goku and I think you agree with that. In terms of power they were very close. You're going to tell me: It was stated Goku was strong enough to wipe out Chibi Buu! Well, never was it stated Chibi Buu wasn't strong enough to kill SSJ3 Goku. In fact, he probably was more than enough to kill FPSSJ3 Goku. Still, when two characters are even, one can kill the other at full power and vice versa. With all that, Chibi Buu's power would have been felt on the Kaioshinkai since he was as strong as SSJ3 Goku.

SSJ3 Goku>/=Chibi Buu>Fat Buu

Do I need further explanation?

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Weaker ? wtf?

kid buu blew up countless , countless galaxies looking for veggie and goku.

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Majuub

Sorry little guy, that was filler, he just blew up the earth and found them in a second.

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Neji_hokage

hey!!!

Oh, i thought , cuz in the manga , i read that.

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Evil Vegeta

Lol, someone argued with me on another site about Buu's power going back to normal when he was calm, which was stupid. When I talked about Krillin noting Buu's power-up, they say he only said that because he was stone when Buu powered-up against Dabura.

Yeah, to suggest his power goes down is absurd, and can only be in a fanfic.

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Deep Thought

Goku must be an awful hypocrite, then, because in the Cell saga, Goku wanted Gohan to destroy Cell immediately.

That' your opinion. In my opinion, Goku said that to Piccolo because he was unsure as to whether or not he could beat Fat Buu, and, after some thinking, he decided that he could.

This could've been for two reasons:

1. Fat Buu only got mad for a few seconds, meaning that the high power level only existed for a few seconds.

2. Akira Toriyama wanted to save the "OMG, LOOK AT HIS POWER1!!!11!" line for when Super Buu appears. Including the line in both scenes would've been redundant and unnecessary.

Goku could've defeated that suppressed Fat Buu easily enough, because, as I said, Goku had the advantage in that fight. Goku didn't know about Fat Buu's full power, and don't tell me that Goku can sense a user's full power ahead of time.

Also, I find one thing to be very interesting in the story.

Gohan loses easily to Fat Buu, both of which being nowhere near their full potential. Both characters have a lot of latent power and both can only access it by getting angry. Later on, when Gohan faces off against Super Buu, both characters have reached their full power and their full potential. Both are at their prime. The story just seems so elegantly choreographed that it's hard to believe that it doesn't support this theory.

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This shit is getting annoying now. I never said that his power goes down. Quit putting words in my mouth.

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You must've misread my post. I was talkin about everyone who said his power goes down when he's not angry, not you. I agreed with you on nearly everything in this topic, but you seem to think I'm going against your points or whatever. Maybe I need to phrase my posts better, but still.

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Majuub

What are you talking about? Goku had just no intetions to beat Fat Buu but he wanted the kids to do it. That's why it was useless to go all out when you plan to back down.

It isn't my opinion. Goku at first wasn't sure, and suddenly for no reason at all he has a change of heart at the very end? Why when there was nothing
Actually, the 1st reason doesn't make sense. When Goku went to his SSJ3 state, his power was felt right away. Even if it was just a couple of seconds, his power was felt. When Shin Buu got out of the ROSAT, is power was also felt right away, time isn't a factor. As soon as the Ki is felt for one second, everyone will notice. Also, Fat Buu was already on a level not too far behind SSJ3 Goku, the time he took to power up suggests if he was THAT strong he could have been esaily above SSJ3 Goku after a couple of seconds, but no.

Mr Toriyama wasn't forced to do this. He could have just drawn the characters in the Kaioshinkai suprised at his power. That point needs no further attention as it's rather irrelevant.

Fat Buu wasn't supressed, he wasn't giving his all but as I stated previously, the power he had was the same as the one he had when he was beating Majin Vegeta. It doesn't mean Fat Buu can get multiplie times stronger, he could have been very close to his full power and was just laughing because he had a little more.

You ignored my point. In volume 42, it's a well-known fact that Fat Buu gets stronger by getting angry and it's a well-known fact he reached the bulk of his power when Aku Buu got out. His full power was already showed although no one payed particular attention to it. That said, at they very end of DBZ, Toriyama himself wrote Goku>Fat Buu. Why arguing with a stated fact. He had no intentions of going further with the series, it was the very last given answer and unless you have canon proof that occurs after that answer, Goku is stronger than Fat Buu.

I don't quite understand what you're trying to prove with your story. Could you elaborate a little if it isn't asking too much? Thank you.

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No, I'm not. =(

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Kaio

Here's what I think: unsplit, fat Majin is equal or almost equal to super Majin Buu. If Majin Buu really did get stronger from getting angry, then it could be logical to assume he powered up some more while Bee and Hercule were being shot; it would make sense to how after his power was reunited under evil Majin Buu that he may have seemed stronger than the unsplit, fat Majin Buu. It might even be possible that the unsplit, fat Majin Buu, after possibly powering up after the Buu/Hercule ordeal, that he didn't even reach his maximum power, which could also explain why super Majin Buu had even more hidden power after the union. However, I will be honest by saying that I don't remember for sure if it was stated that super Majin Buu was actually stronger than the unsplit, fat Majin Buu or if super Majin Buu powered up later on, but I think you can all understand my point anyway.

I still think kid Majin Buu would survive Vegeta's attack though since his power seemed to be around super saiyan three Goku's power at that time when he was blown up.

Remixxx

That guy is not completly wrong....he has a good point...but the question is was Evil Buu taking Mr.buu serious or was he playing..or was kid buu playing and was he taking Mr.buu serious

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Majuub

Aku Buu didn't waste any time, he got down to buisness quickly because his goal was clear, absorb Mr Buu. Chibi Buu on the other hand was playing, even Vegeta successfully blasted him. He didn't care about getting touched because it did no damamge. Just look at the fight, even when Mr Buu was almost dead, Chibi Buu was still laughing and punching him. He didn't care about killing him, he just wanted to have fun. You can see that because he could have killed, Goku, Vegeta and Mr Buu all at once. When Goku reverted to his base form he had the occasion to kill them all. Did he do it? No, he was just playing. That's why I say Darthvenom is completely wrong. Chibi Buu was just playing.

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