Dupe of USSJed

Alright, it is a well known fact in the DBZ forum that I believe Tien well and truely exceeded the 1,000,000 Power Level mark. Alot of people disbelieve this, and think that Tien is in the low hundred thousands or less. One piece of evidence(in fact a very major one), is the Kikoho Tien used against Cell. I have Semiperfect Cell at only 400,000,000 at that point, a level 4x lower than most Semiperfect Cell Power Levels. With this level, Tien's attack would have to be at least 2000x stronger than himself if his power level was 100,000 (Note that the most popular level for Semiperfect Cell that I have seen is 2 Billion or more, which is 10,000x stronger than Tien)

Now, some people say, that the Kikoho was 2000x or more stronger than Tien, because it used his life force. But I happen to remember another DBZ attack that also used the life force of the character. That attack was Vegeta's Final Explosion. We know it used his life force because he turned to stone and died from using the attack. So what I want to know, is why if Vegeta's attack used life force, and so was at least say, 500x stronger than himself, was Majin Buu, the Earth, the Sun, the Solar system etc, not all annilated in an instant. Keep in mind that SSJ2 like power can destroy the Solar System.

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Zer0

Eh? I thought Life Force=Chi / Ki=Power Level? [/instigating]

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Dupe of USSJed

No, Tien's Kikoho is special because unlike attacks like the Kamehameha, it uses the life force or life energy of the user, rather than the ki, or spirit energy. Most attacks do not use life force.

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Zer0

I don't know a lot of people disagree with you and say they're the exact same thing. >_>

Spirit energy? Since when could Goku use the Rei Gun?

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Dupe of USSJed

If they are the exact same thing then excellent, the life force argument will be crushed. Which is something I would like to see happen in the near future. When I am done everyone will know the true power of Tien!

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Evil Vegeta

Actually, both are different. A basic Kame beam wouldn't have the same effects as a standard Ki-Ko-Ho attack. Tien's lifeforce is drained considerably, and the Kame beam only drains some chi. Unless Goku maintained a Kame beam for about 10-20 minutes, I don't see it havin the same effect as Tien's attack.

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Dupe of USSJed

Alrighty then. Do you have an opinion on my comparison to Vegeta's life force using final explosion?

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Evil Vegeta

The reason why it didn't destroy everything, is because he focused the attack completely on Majin Buu, like his Final Flash with Cell. Buu was far above a SSJ2 and comparable to SSJ3 Goku in their battle, and his Kame beam didn't even blow up the entire planet. Cell & Piccolo stated that MSSJ Goku's Kame beam would blow up the earth, and we know SSJ3 Goku or Majin Buu is several times more powerful then that. So with that, we know the beam should've blew up the entire planet.

With that said, that's why that didn't blow everything up. I also don't believe Cell's quote about the Solar System, but that's just me.

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Remixxx

Great question...the only answer is that Kikoho doent use that much life force but mostlly come from power

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Dupe of USSJed

A valid point, and one I forgot to mention. But heres the deal. 500x SSJ2 Vegeta's power level<<<Spirit Bomb?

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Shaka of virgo

With respect to the Kikohou, i think is actually all the ki of the user in one shot, leaving the user dying, mind you the neo Kikohou with Tien more powerful he manage to do it many times to stop Cell. ki=life force

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Dupe of USSJed

I remember a specific mention of life force, can anyone else remember that, I could have just imaginied it?

Edit: In BT3, Tien's Health drops when he uses the Kikoho, I am sure the general idea is that it uses the life energy of the user not just the spirit energy

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GFWspacezilla

Its the life force. Im sure that Kame-sennin says something about it using The usere's life force.

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Dupe of USSJed

Alright, so we've MOL established it drains your life force, and not just your ki, which is what makes it so outrageously strong. So next up, is for someone to come and defend their belief that Tien is <1,000,000

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Madness

lol, people thinking too much.

Tien wasn't very powerful at all. My proof? He wasn't needed to be. Put him in the hundred billions if you like; he will still be as crappy as before.

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