Kikoho Argument- Life Force - Page 6

Hero · 07-30-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Unless Tien calls training "technique" then I believe he is referring to the Kaioken, or something.

Well, he called it a training regimen earlier.

Dupe of USSJed · 07-30-2008

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Senzu_Bean · 07-30-2008

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Originally Posted by hero_764

Roshi said that the attack the ability to kill the user, which was said about no other the attack in the entire series...

What about Kaiou-ken?! Since Kikoho is Tenshinhan's version Kaiou-Ken it is normal both techniques can kill the user.

Hero · 07-30-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

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Lol, its in the exact same quote I posted before...just one sentence earlier.

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Volume 6, Page 127: "I can't hope to surpass Goku at the same training regimen...but if I master the fundamentals of the technique and add a few twists of my own...I should be able to avoid another humiliating defeat."

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What about Kaiou-ken?! Since Kikoho is Tenshinhan's version Kaiou-Ken it is normal both techniques can kill the user.

The a whole different concept. The kaioken puts immense amounts of stress on your body, the ki ko ho just uses too much energy.

gad_is_here · 07-30-2008

Put an end to this thread already

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Dupe of USSJed · 07-31-2008

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The a whole different concept. The kaioken puts immense amounts of stress on your body, the ki ko ho just uses too much energy.

Well just think, Tien is taking like, 20% of his power, and multiplying it by 50x with each shot. Its certainly not enough for say, a x10,000 multiplier, but its getting closer to my personal estimate.

Hero · 07-31-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Well just think, Tien is taking like, 20% of his power, and multiplying it by 50x with each shot. Its certainly not enough for say, a x10,000 multiplier, but its getting closer to my personal estimate.

2,000,000/5 = 400,000 x 50 = 20,000,000. So unless you think Semi Perfect Cell was weaker than 50% Frieza I'd say it doesn't work.

BTW, if you look closely at the manga you can see that Tien actually uses the KiKoHo much more than 5 times(unless Viz fucked up), as he says hyah a bunch of times, but only 5 times are shown.

Dupe of USSJed · 08-05-2008

Sorry this took so long, I forgot about the thread. I counted 5 Kikoho's, and I just recounted them now and got 5 again.

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2,000,000/5 = 400,000 x 50 = 20,000,000

I can't exactly answer that, I knew what I was talking about when I said it, but have completely lost track of this topic and have forgotten what I was talking about.

So anyway, I want to be perfectly clear on this: Your arguing that Tien multiplies his power level by something atrocious, such as x10,000, by using his own lifeforce(lets say, x500) and then kaioken/kaioken+kikoho(perhaps x20), which with those multipliers would infact equal x10,000?? (This works on the same principal as Golden Oozaru, x10 x50 = x500)

Hero · 08-05-2008

Not quite.

My theory:

Tien's attack is considered dangerous and uses a completely different type of energy than Goku's kamehameha uses. This energy is not based at all on your power level. This energy has the possibility to shorten your lifespan/kill you if used too much. When Tien was at the 22nd Budokai he had the ipotential to release the kikoho at a power level of 2500-3000 or w/e you think it was in the Saiyan saga. His neo ki ko ho is much more powerful, due to some sort of secret he got from King Kai to make it more effective. I don't think it's the kaioken because that would raise your power level, not 'life force' energy, unless he was taught a different method of kaiokoen, which would explain the absence of his aura.

But then again, as darkprince pointed out, kikoho does mean 'ki blast cannon'. Ki equals chi right? And chi has been stated to be equivalent to power level.

Its just not plausible to me that it would have insanely high multiplier.

Dupe of USSJed · 08-05-2008

Define: Insanely High

I don't think that x100-x300 is that high, considering that Saiyans can achieve similar ridiculous increases as transformations.

But any theory that has Tien increasing by 5-digit multipliers deserves to die, slowly.

Hero · 08-06-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Define: Insanely High

I don't think that x100-x300 is that high, considering that Saiyans can achieve similar ridiculous increases as transformations.

But any theory that has Tien increasing by 5-digit multipliers deserves to die, slowly.

SSJ is a legendary transformation, a simple attack should not give you those kinds of powers. It ruins the series for me.

Dupe of USSJed · 08-06-2008

Simply attack my ass, the Kikoho is a fucking mental legendary ownage attack, the best attack in the series by far(cept Spirit Bomb, but I'm talking about attacks that user your power and noone elses)

Post Frieza SSJ lost its 'legendary' status, not to mention post Goten and Chibi Trunks, or the introduction of SSJ2.

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Hero (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: USA Posts: 3,166 Rep Power: 135	Re: Kikoho Argument- Life Force Not quite. My theory: Tien's attack is considered dangerous and uses a completely different type of energy than Goku's kamehameha uses. This energy is not based at all on your power level. This energy has the possibility to shorten your lifespan/kill you if used too much. When Tien was at the 22nd Budokai he had the ipotential to release the kikoho at a power level of 2500-3000 or w/e you think it was in the Saiyan saga. His neo ki ko ho is much more powerful, due to some sort of secret he got from King Kai to make it more effective. I don't think it's the kaioken because that would raise your power level, not 'life force' energy, unless he was taught a different method of kaiokoen, which would explain the absence of his aura. But then again, as darkprince pointed out, kikoho does mean 'ki blast cannon'. Ki equals chi right? And chi has been stated to be equivalent to power level. Its just not plausible to me that it would have insanely high multiplier. __________________ Top 5 Manga: 1. Dragon Ball 2. One Piece 3. Hunter x Hunter 4. Vagabond 5. Hikaru No Go Dragon Ball/Z Power Levels

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,707 Rep Power: 202	Re: Kikoho Argument- Life Force Define: Insanely High I don't think that x100-x300 is that high, considering that Saiyans can achieve similar ridiculous increases as transformations. But any theory that has Tien increasing by 5-digit multipliers deserves to die, slowly. __________________ DBZ RPG Accepting new entrants! Must be active every day, at some point between 10am and 6pm New Zealand Time(+13), and willing to take the RPG seriously. 9 out of 10 MFGers thing that Orancello is SSJJason. If you are one of the 1 in 10 that don't, copy this and put it in your sig. Accepted Character Races. Android(#8, can upgrade later), Alien(Custom), Bio Android(Cell type), Changeling(Frieza), Demon, Human, Kaioshin, Namekian. Others conditionally. No Saiyans and Hybrids, sorry.

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