Vegeta timid to fight Piccolo? - Page 2

Dupe of USSJed · 07-18-2008

I reckon Piccolo could take that bastard.

Tyrant · 07-18-2008

Wait, why do you all assume Vegeta is SO MUCH stronger than Piccolo? All we know about Vegeta is that he's stronger than Frieza Form 3 and Piccolo is stronger than Frieza Form 2 at this point. I have Piccolo at 1,800,000 and Vegeta at over 2,000,000. This would not be an easy fight for Vegeta at all and I doubt he would want to risk it especially since it's such a ridiculous reason to fight.

SSJ4 Vegito · 07-18-2008

Well Vegeta was able to see Freeza's Death Beams AND react in time to save Gohan without any difficulty, where as Piccolo didn't even see the attack.

Tyrant · 07-18-2008

OK, I understand that, I never said Vegeta wasn't stronger than Piccolo. Think of it this way. I have Vegeta at 2,400,000 and Piccolo at 1,800,000 at this point. Do you think Vegeta would want to provoke someone that powerful for no reason even if he could destroy him? And if Vegeta did kill Piccolo, Gohan would release his hidden power and beat Vegeta to a pulp for a while until the rest of the Namekians joined in.

The other reason is that Vegeta realized he was taking things too far and that destroying Gohan is not in his best interests at this point. Especially since he was revived by the earthlings and taken to Earth etc.

gad_is_here · 07-18-2008

Vegeta > Piccolo

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 07-18-2008

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Originally Posted by gad_is_here

Vegeta > Piccolo

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WONDERFUL CONTRIBUTION TO THE TOPIC AT HAND.

SSJ4 Vegito · 07-18-2008

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Originally Posted by Frieza the Tyrant

OK, I understand that, I never said Vegeta wasn't stronger than Piccolo. Think of it this way. I have Vegeta at 2,400,000 and Piccolo at 1,800,000 at this point. Do you think Vegeta would want to provoke someone that powerful for no reason even if he could destroy him? And if Vegeta did kill Piccolo, Gohan would release his hidden power and beat Vegeta to a pulp for a while until the rest of the Namekians joined in.

The other reason is that Vegeta realized he was taking things too far and that destroying Gohan is not in his best interests at this point. Especially since he was revived by the earthlings and taken to Earth etc.

Okay I see what your saying. Plus he said that Gohan's "Optimism" makes him sick.

SuperTien · 07-18-2008

Vegeta probably left them around because he didn't hate them as he hated Goku. He could also leave them around for several other reasons perhaps the biggest reason to avoid conflict with piccolo as long as possible in case of a need to use the earth dragoballs. Really think about it. Vegeta could have secretly been planning on carring out his plan on wishing for invincibility or immortality. If he killed piccolo the wishes would not be possible on earth. Vegeta new this and would probably think of it for his own future self if the future called for it..

Piccolo is also full of surprises. Vegeta probably knew better than to mess with piccolo. " No wonder raddtiz lost, these namekains are sorcerors, full of magic and surprises. I bet he's the one who made the dragonballs, ah yes it all makes sense now."

He also underestimated (piccolo)him against freeza, doubting he could not beat freeza, but then piccolo turned the tides and was in control of the battle. Vegeta is no fool he is tactical genius sometimes....
As said earlier Gohan could become a super saiyan if piccolo was killed in cold blood.

gad_is_here · 07-18-2008

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Originally Posted by Chibi Mystic Gohan

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WONDERFUL CONTRIBUTION TO THE TOPIC AT HAND.

What. I've seen comments about Piccolo matching up to Vegeta. OK. I'll be more specific

Piccolo was weaker than 3rd form Frieza. Vegeta was confident on figthing Frieza after seeing the power of 3rd form Frieza. So I place him along the power of Frieza 3rd form. That makes him stronger than Piccolo a lot

Hero · 07-19-2008

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Originally Posted by Frieza the Tyrant

OK, I understand that, I never said Vegeta wasn't stronger than Piccolo. Think of it this way. I have Vegeta at 2,400,000 and Piccolo at 1,800,000 at this point. Do you think Vegeta would want to provoke someone that powerful for no reason even if he could destroy him? And if Vegeta did kill Piccolo, Gohan would release his hidden power and beat Vegeta to a pulp for a while until the rest of the Namekians joined in.

The difference you have between him and Piccolo is larger than the one between him and Kui when he arrived on Namek. Piccolo would be dead in a matter of seconds.

And I doubt Gohan's hidden powers would help much. His maximum couldn't even destroy 3rd form Frieza, and he still had lost energy from the humongous masenko he fired at Frieza.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 07-27-2008

I'd say it's more along the lines of 'Vegeta doesn't care to fight Piccolo'. Yes, there were portions where Vegeta was tempted to fight Piccolo, but both characters knew there were better ways to squander time. Oh, and the portion you speak of is filler, maxoutedssj4.

That aside, Vegeta's obsession was with Son Goku. Both (Vegeta and Piccolo) characters eventually came out of their shells and conceded that they would not be correcting their rivalries and new-found emotions with more power and victory, but when Piccolo merged with Kamisama and completed himself, he changed drastically as a person. Vegeta had no such thing (despite finding Bulma and his own son, Trunks... Mirai Trunks showing appreciation and respect in a way that never registered with Vegeta before), but at least he was able to show subtle appreciation for Son Goku, even if he would never openly admit it.

Vegeta's new emotions could not be rectified by a simple power up - what creates a connective aspect between him and Son Goku, the same qualities he claimed 'weak' tenaciously - the same qualities that made his character monotonous in my view. Goku at least showed him the better qualities and reminded him that despite that he (Goku) wasn't the callous, prideful, and belligerent Saiyan like Vegeta was, he (Goku) still had that same incentive to fight as a Saiyan. And on top of that, Goku gave Vegeta planes of power to reach towards when he thought his own power was wholly unsurpassed. These are planes Vegeta appreciates, despite the antipathy he shows instead for a long stretch. We see similar things happen with Piccolo - he's defeated at the 23rd Budokai and is given a new plateu to reach, and yet trains rigorously up until the day, 5 years later, where Raditz makes his arrival and Piccolo's life is involved with the Zet Senshi henceforth, so much so that he can no longer worry about paltry rilvalries. Through Goku, his family, and the Zet Senshi, the better of Piccolo is brought out, and a new emotional connection came to fruition (through Son Gohan's friendship, and through later assimilations).

The same goes for Vegeta - he tried to snub it out by continuing to cling to his rivarly with Son Goku that was beaten to death, but the forces of Freeza and Dr. Gero's brainchilds came to the fore and continued to put that on hold, while no matter what Vegeta could do, he couldn't do what he claimed he could - surmount Goku, let alone equal him off. When Boo and Bobbodi come around, Vegeta has it and, as aforementioned, lets himself be reined in and his latent power drawn out.... only to see that he was an emotional creature, regardless of his Saiyan heritage, that there was no harm in saying that Goku was #1, that the very "weak" qualities Goku embodied (protecting those he ardently cares) weren't weak at all, and that Vegeta, too, shared them. Again, this mindset applies to Piccolo as well. Both characters were shaped by their challenges. As was Son Goku, and many other characters in the series.

Then again, consistency and continuity just makes one weaker when all one wants to do is be arrogant, overweening, and competitive for no reason outside of feelings of jealousy (or perhaps, weaker period). In any case, to be less verbose but terse and to the point, I don't think Vegeta was 'timid' so much as he didn't care. He was concerned with Goku, not Piccolo, to the point of seeing that his concern had brought him to become the very thing he claimed weak. Then he accepts this and moves on forthwith, eventually, becoming a tad more humble and amicable. So does Piccolo.

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Tyrant (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,224 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 337	Re: Vegeta timid to fight Piccolo? Wait, why do you all assume Vegeta is SO MUCH stronger than Piccolo? All we know about Vegeta is that he's stronger than Frieza Form 3 and Piccolo is stronger than Frieza Form 2 at this point. I have Piccolo at 1,800,000 and Vegeta at over 2,000,000. This would not be an easy fight for Vegeta at all and I doubt he would want to risk it especially since it's such a ridiculous reason to fight.

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Tyrant (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,224 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 337	Re: Vegeta timid to fight Piccolo? OK, I understand that, I never said Vegeta wasn't stronger than Piccolo. Think of it this way. I have Vegeta at 2,400,000 and Piccolo at 1,800,000 at this point. Do you think Vegeta would want to provoke someone that powerful for no reason even if he could destroy him? And if Vegeta did kill Piccolo, Gohan would release his hidden power and beat Vegeta to a pulp for a while until the rest of the Namekians joined in. The other reason is that Vegeta realized he was taking things too far and that destroying Gohan is not in his best interests at this point. Especially since he was revived by the earthlings and taken to Earth etc.

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SuperTien (18) Artificial Human Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 795 Rep Power: 29	Re: Vegeta timid to fight Piccolo? Vegeta probably left them around because he didn't hate them as he hated Goku. He could also leave them around for several other reasons perhaps the biggest reason to avoid conflict with piccolo as long as possible in case of a need to use the earth dragoballs. Really think about it. Vegeta could have secretly been planning on carring out his plan on wishing for invincibility or immortality. If he killed piccolo the wishes would not be possible on earth. Vegeta new this and would probably think of it for his own future self if the future called for it.. Piccolo is also full of surprises. Vegeta probably knew better than to mess with piccolo. " No wonder raddtiz lost, these namekains are sorcerors, full of magic and surprises. I bet he's the one who made the dragonballs, ah yes it all makes sense now." He also underestimated (piccolo)him against freeza, doubting he could not beat freeza, but then piccolo turned the tides and was in control of the battle. Vegeta is no fool he is tactical genius sometimes.... As said earlier Gohan could become a super saiyan if piccolo was killed in cold blood.

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LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,746 Rep Power: 49	Re: Vegeta timid to fight Piccolo? I'd say it's more along the lines of 'Vegeta doesn't care to fight Piccolo'. Yes, there were portions where Vegeta was tempted to fight Piccolo, but both characters knew there were better ways to squander time. Oh, and the portion you speak of is filler, maxoutedssj4. That aside, Vegeta's obsession was with Son Goku. Both (Vegeta and Piccolo) characters eventually came out of their shells and conceded that they would not be correcting their rivalries and new-found emotions with more power and victory, but when Piccolo merged with Kamisama and completed himself, he changed drastically as a person. Vegeta had no such thing (despite finding Bulma and his own son, Trunks... Mirai Trunks showing appreciation and respect in a way that never registered with Vegeta before), but at least he was able to show subtle appreciation for Son Goku, even if he would never openly admit it. Vegeta's new emotions could not be rectified by a simple power up - what creates a connective aspect between him and Son Goku, the same qualities he claimed 'weak' tenaciously - the same qualities that made his character monotonous in my view. Goku at least showed him the better qualities and reminded him that despite that he (Goku) wasn't the callous, prideful, and belligerent Saiyan like Vegeta was, he (Goku) still had that same incentive to fight as a Saiyan. And on top of that, Goku gave Vegeta planes of power to reach towards when he thought his own power was wholly unsurpassed. These are planes Vegeta appreciates, despite the antipathy he shows instead for a long stretch. We see similar things happen with Piccolo - he's defeated at the 23rd Budokai and is given a new plateu to reach, and yet trains rigorously up until the day, 5 years later, where Raditz makes his arrival and Piccolo's life is involved with the Zet Senshi henceforth, so much so that he can no longer worry about paltry rilvalries. Through Goku, his family, and the Zet Senshi, the better of Piccolo is brought out, and a new emotional connection came to fruition (through Son Gohan's friendship, and through later assimilations). The same goes for Vegeta - he tried to snub it out by continuing to cling to his rivarly with Son Goku that was beaten to death, but the forces of Freeza and Dr. Gero's brainchilds came to the fore and continued to put that on hold, while no matter what Vegeta could do, he couldn't do what he claimed he could - surmount Goku, let alone equal him off. When Boo and Bobbodi come around, Vegeta has it and, as aforementioned, lets himself be reined in and his latent power drawn out.... only to see that he was an emotional creature, regardless of his Saiyan heritage, that there was no harm in saying that Goku was #1, that the very "weak" qualities Goku embodied (protecting those he ardently cares) weren't weak at all, and that Vegeta, too, shared them. Again, this mindset applies to Piccolo as well. Both characters were shaped by their challenges. As was Son Goku, and many other characters in the series. Then again, consistency and continuity just makes one weaker when all one wants to do is be arrogant, overweening, and competitive for no reason outside of feelings of jealousy (or perhaps, weaker period). In any case, to be less verbose but terse and to the point, I don't think Vegeta was 'timid' so much as he didn't care. He was concerned with Goku, not Piccolo, to the point of seeing that his concern had brought him to become the very thing he claimed weak. Then he accepts this and moves on forthwith, eventually, becoming a tad more humble and amicable. So does Piccolo. __________________ Last edited by LegendarySSJ7; 08-31-2008 at 08:29 PM.