Bardock and King Vegeta plot hole?

Jeice · 07-13-2008

In Bardock the father of Goku you don't hear anything about King Vegeta being killed by Frieza, but in the flashback in the Frieza Saga you see Vegeta and his men getting wiped out by Frieza on his spaceship, you would think this would be some time during the Bardock Special but if that was happening don't you think all of planet vegeta would know about it?

Is this a plot hole?

Madness · 07-13-2008

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Originally Posted by Jeice

In Bardock the father of Goku you don't hear anything about King Vegeta being killed by Frieza, but in the flashback in the Frieza Saga you see Vegeta and his men getting wiped out by Frieza on his spaceship, you would think this would be some time during the Bardock Special but if that was happening don't you think all of planet vegeta would know about it?

Is this a plot hole?

No, it was likely a secret mission.

Jeice · 07-13-2008

Hmm, but that would have to be shortly before the planet was blown up right because they would notice their king missing eventually.

Madness · 07-13-2008

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Originally Posted by Jeice

Hmm, but that would have to be shortly before the planet was blown up right because they would notice their king missing eventually.

I think he took his Royal Guard with him; he's not in the public eye 24/7 y'know.

DarthVenom9808 · 07-14-2008

Here's the flashback. You can see Bardock at the end.
YouTube - The story of King Vegeta

Evil Vegeta · 07-14-2008

Didn't Vegeta attack Freeza's ship with his group? I'm pretty sure the entire planet is not going to hear about a quick sneak attack by Vegeta. They didn't even believe Bardock when he told them that Freeza was going to destroy the planet.

~~JC#1~~ · 07-14-2008

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Originally Posted by Jeice

In Bardock the father of Goku you don't hear anything about King Vegeta being killed by Frieza, but in the flashback in the Frieza Saga you see Vegeta and his men getting wiped out by Frieza on his spaceship, you would think this would be some time during the Bardock Special but if that was happening don't you think all of planet vegeta would know about it?

Is this a plot hole?

They didn't mention it because it had happened only moments before Freeza came out of his ship to blow up planet Vegeta, so there wasn't time for word to spread. Besids, I consider Bardock: The Father of Goku to be completely filler (although the character Bardock is cannon from a flashback in the manga.)

Evil Vegeta · 07-14-2008

Even if it is filler, it doesn't go against the story in any kind of way. If anything, it could be considered canon in my opinion.

**Darkprince410** · 07-14-2008

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They didn't mention it because it had happened only moments before Freeza came out of his ship to blow up planet Vegeta, so there wasn't time for word to spread. Besids, I consider Bardock: The Father of Goku to be completely filler (although the character Bardock is cannon from a flashback in the manga.)

Actually, Toriyama liked the Bardock special so much that he added the small scenes in the manga depicting him, so it's best to consider the special at least "semi-canon".

Jeice · 07-14-2008

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

Actually, Toriyama liked the Bardock special so much that he added the small scenes in the manga depicting him, so it's best to consider the special at least "semi-canon".

What exactly do you mean, what did it show with Bardock in the manga?

Sephiroth · 07-14-2008

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Originally Posted by Jeice

What exactly do you mean, what did it show with Bardock in the manga?

The manga shows two panels of Burdock. The first panel shows Burdock when he confronted Freeza in front of his ship. Freeza mentions that Goku "looks just like the Saiya-jin who resisted until the end." The next panel shows Burdock being blown away by Freeza's Death Ball with a dialog box explaining how neither Freeza nor Goku knew that Burdock was Son Goku's father.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 07-14-2008

It's not a plot hole by necessity (at least, I wouldn't profess it as such). Even though when pressing through the anime, plot holes are indeed abound, just because King Vegeta's death wasn't shown in complete conjunction with the timeline of the events of the Burdock movie doesn't mean it didn't come to fruition. In the anime - that is. Many flashbacks were shown that chose to focus on the last few actions of Burdock, never regretting his conscience (which I somewhat am in agreeance with and feel is inherent) and mustering that quick attack (if intended to kill? even though it could do little against Freeza, lucidly) on Freeza that was utterly dwarfed by the death ball, and Planet Vegeta's destruction, substituting political matters with action.

But yes, the Burdock movie is anime canon. Manga canon... not so much. Just the two panels that are shown, as aforementioned before me.

Neon_ · 07-14-2008

I don’t think its a plot hole, king Vegeta was killed in freeze ship so there is no reason to think that didn’t happen a few minutes early

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LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,746 Rep Power: 49	Re: Bardock and King Vegeta plot hole? It's not a plot hole by necessity (at least, I wouldn't profess it as such). Even though when pressing through the anime, plot holes are indeed abound, just because King Vegeta's death wasn't shown in complete conjunction with the timeline of the events of the Burdock movie doesn't mean it didn't come to fruition. In the anime - that is. Many flashbacks were shown that chose to focus on the last few actions of Burdock, never regretting his conscience (which I somewhat am in agreeance with and feel is inherent) and mustering that quick attack (if intended to kill? even though it could do little against Freeza, lucidly) on Freeza that was utterly dwarfed by the death ball, and Planet Vegeta's destruction, substituting political matters with action. But yes, the Burdock movie is anime canon. Manga canon... not so much. Just the two panels that are shown, as aforementioned before me. __________________

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Neon_ (10) Saiyan Elite Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 128 Rep Power: 2	Re: Bardock and King Vegeta plot hole? I don’t think its a plot hole, king Vegeta was killed in freeze ship so there is no reason to think that didn’t happen a few minutes early __________________