Collected cells does not = source of techniques/power. - Page 2

Madness · 07-12-2008

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Originally Posted by JC#1

Well its kinda like half-and-half. Tey can't add power from other people, or at least I don't think they do, but Cell instantly learns their techniques. Example, Cell isn't all of their pls added together, but he can still use Goku's Kamehameha without Goku's pl. He does also eminate the specific ki signiture of the character who's techniques he is using, but not the same AMOUNT of ki. Am I making sense?

Yes... we already knew that. Cell is a seperate being in his own right, and is more than the sum of his parts.

~~JC#1~~ · 07-12-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

Yes... we already knew that. Cell is a seperate being in his own right, and is more than the sum of his parts.

Well I'm just too fucking lazy to read every post on this page! lol

Kaio · 07-12-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

Cell couldn't use Dodonpa because he didn't have Tien's cells. The Androids were only stated to have the battle data, not Cell.

Didn't Gero say that he at least collected and recorded all the data too? I'm sure he could've done more with the data besides installing it into the android's data bases.

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

Also; when Cell fired his Kame beam at Piccolo, he went on to tell him how Gero collected Goku's cell's from when he fought Raditz. Once Piccolo hears this, he says: "No wonder that Kame-Hame-Ha was pathetic!"

You know. . . This statement almost puts me at the point of surrender, but at the same time, I'm also thinking how this doesn't make sense. How could a being with a power comparable with a super saiyan's only be able to shoot off a beam that's only the power level of around 1,000, that in which Piccolo decides to defend himself from? Are you sure it's not the genetic make up from Goku that's limiting the power of his blast or something? Like, maybe the cells from Goku at that time were formed in Cell in a way which he could only fire a kamehameha blast at the same rate Goku could at that time (not saying as strong, but at the same rate of power use).

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If the cell's have no effect on his skills, then Goku's cells back then shouldn't have any effect on the beam being weaker then it should be.

Maybe the ki flow for the technique. Seriously though, I don't see how a cell sample determines the power of the technique, unless it effects the ki control/access or something. Why would his blast get stronger after absorbing the androids? How does that affect Goku's cells inside of him?

SaiyajinPerfection · 07-12-2008

Well, from a real-world POV, Cell being composed of cells and not being genetically conditioned is a plothole all itself. In the real life, cells from different genetic make ups reject each other, this is what happens with transplanted organs unless the cells can be tricked through drugs.

In order to make Cell, Gero would've had to genetically modify him in order to just make him a zygote. However, this is obviously not the case.

Also I agree that powers and techniques shouldn't have been carried on the genetic level. It doesn't make sense.

**Darkprince410** · 07-12-2008

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Originally Posted by Kaio

How do you know it's Frieza's death beam he used on Trunks? How do you know it's not just a random finger beam or special beam cannon? Or even Tien's dodompa? Maybe Frieza used it against Goku in his time line and it was recorded. What would be the point in mentioning that Dr. Gero monitored their fighting techniques if he intended for Cell to know their techniques through their genes?

He monitored their fights to learn their fighting style and personality traits, as well as to hang around to collect cells for Seru when the time was right.

We also know it isn't the dodonpa because it differs from Furiiza's Death Beam in a critical manner. The dodonpa, in every recorded use, explodes when it impacts someone, while the Death Beam acts to puncture and penetrate through the target. Since we see that Seru's finger beam that hit Torunkusu punctured through his chest, as well as Kuririn's earlier statement, we know it has to be the Death Beam.

~~JC#1~~ · 07-12-2008

I don't know if this was already answered, but about the Death beam Cell used, Freeza must've used it when he faught Goku on Earth in Cell's timeline.

Evil Vegeta · 07-13-2008

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Originally Posted by Kaio

Didn't Gero say that he at least collected and recorded all the data too? I'm sure he could've done more with the data besides installing it into the android's data bases.

Gero said that he monitored all of Goku's battles, and he used them to understand what Android would be needed to combat Goku. He probably could've done more with the data, but it seems like he only used it for the Androids data.

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You know. . . This statement almost puts me at the point of surrender, but at the same time, I'm also thinking how this doesn't make sense. How could a being with a power comparable with a super saiyan's only be able to shoot off a beam that's only the power level of around 1,000, that in which Piccolo decides to defend himself from? Are you sure it's not the genetic make up from Goku that's limiting the power of his blast or something? Like, maybe the cells from Goku at that time were formed in Cell in a way which he could only fire a kamehameha blast at the same rate Goku could at that time (not saying as strong, but at the same rate of power use).

I don't think beam is only that powerful, because if it was, Piccolo wouldn't have made an effort to dodge it. I think what Piccolo meant, was that it was far weaker then it should've been. Goku's cells are probably why the beam is so much weaker, because it would only be great for the Raditz battle standards. It might not have been fast, but could've still had plenty of power.

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Maybe the ki flow for the technique. Seriously though, I don't see how a cell sample determines the power of the technique, unless it effects the ki control/access or something. Why would his blast get stronger after absorbing the androids? How does that affect Goku's cells inside of him?

Cell's monstrous power increases after absorbing the Androids are probably why the beam isn't considered pathetic anymore. Another thing about the cells automatically givin Cell the ability, is his understanding of things as well. Gero never knew about Piccolo & Kami being one, and once Piccolo mentions that "the Kami had a great mind", Cell quickly catches on, understanding that the two are one once again, and that's why they're so powerful. Even Android #16 didn't know it was Piccolo's power when his data scouted his power level.

This would only be known by Cell because of Piccolo's cells within him, or there would be no other way he would know such thing. He even knew the dragon balls were useless after they merged, so the skills Cell use would have to be because of his genetic structure, and not because of any recorded data.

Kaio · 07-13-2008

How do you know Gero never figured out the relationship between Kami and Piccolo? Just because the androids couldn't figure out who's ki level it was? It only proves that Gero had no predictions or understandings of Piccolo/Kami's fused state. Gero already knew a little bit about the dragon balls in the first place, so it would only be natural that he would research them further and eventually find his way to the creator of the dragon balls. It wouldn't be too hard to figure out after monitoring Goku and Piccolo for so long. We also don't know what information was picked up in "alternate future" Cell's time line.

Evil Vegeta · 07-13-2008

Even if what you say is true, Cell never mentions anything about any recorded data for anyone, and only states he has the cells of various warriors. Cell already had the ability to sense power, so he didn't need to rely on any databanks. The other Cell of the future seemed to rely on it when he was about to combat Trunks, but even still, no mention of battle data for Cell is ever mentioned.

If Cell knows how to trick people, such as Vegeta, by using their own personality against them, show a desperate attitude like Freeza did when he tried to blow up the planet, or, launch a Kame beam at Goku, knowing Goku is going to make sure the attack doesn't destroy the planet, then he acts on the cells he's composed of. I don't see how recorded data would help Cell anyway. You either know how to do the attack, or you don't. He's created with their cells, so he's naturally going to know their attacks.

Krillin even said if the attack isn't difficult, it would be easy for Cell to do, or along those lines anyway. He says this after Cell used the Taiyoken or Solar Flare.

Kaio · 07-15-2008

Yet, he was completely surprised when he saw Piccolo regenerate his arm. . .

Evil Vegeta · 07-15-2008

Which made no sense, because he already should've known about it. Also; Cell's dialogue aftewards was more along the lines of, "you tricked me", not how did you do that, or anything like that.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 07-15-2008

No, I don't think Cell knew about his regeneration until after Piccolo showed him it, I presume.

gad_is_here · 07-15-2008

I don't think so. It's not like someone showed Cell the Kamehameha. He knew it cause it was in his Cells. The same with Piccolo's regeneration I think. But he did act surprised

Kaio · 07-15-2008

Dr. Gero's data showed him the "secrets of the kamehameha".

Evil Vegeta · 07-15-2008

How do you know it showed it? You don't. Also; if Cell has to see everything before he actually does it, then that would mean Cell also had to see when Daimao spawned Tambourine, Cymbal, and Drum, because he showed a similiar trait, though quite different, and he was never stated to have any of Daimao's cells. That's why he seeing the regeneration shouldn't matter, and that surprised scene can be chalked up to him being tricked.

That was from Piccolo, who never did anything like Daimao did. So if he already has it within his creation, he doesn't need to see it.

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SaiyajinPerfection (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Not where you are Posts: 1,453 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 22	Re: Collected cells does not = source of techniques/power. Well, from a real-world POV, Cell being composed of cells and not being genetically conditioned is a plothole all itself. In the real life, cells from different genetic make ups reject each other, this is what happens with transplanted organs unless the cells can be tricked through drugs. In order to make Cell, Gero would've had to genetically modify him in order to just make him a zygote. However, this is obviously not the case. Also I agree that powers and techniques shouldn't have been carried on the genetic level. It doesn't make sense. __________________ Formerly the member demonkingpiccolo "Let's put a SMILE on that face!" REP OWED: Madness, Madness, Madness, Madness, Frieza the Tyrant, Madness, Madness, SSJBulma, Madness, Madness, Madness, The Green Dragon, Madness....and...oh wait, did I mention Madness?

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~~JC#1~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,806 Rep Power: 0	Re: Collected cells does not = source of techniques/power. I don't know if this was already answered, but about the Death beam Cell used, Freeza must've used it when he faught Goku on Earth in Cell's timeline.

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Kaio (15) Super Namekian Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 439 Rep Power: 8	Re: Collected cells does not = source of techniques/power. How do you know Gero never figured out the relationship between Kami and Piccolo? Just because the androids couldn't figure out who's ki level it was? It only proves that Gero had no predictions or understandings of Piccolo/Kami's fused state. Gero already knew a little bit about the dragon balls in the first place, so it would only be natural that he would research them further and eventually find his way to the creator of the dragon balls. It wouldn't be too hard to figure out after monitoring Goku and Piccolo for so long. We also don't know what information was picked up in "alternate future" Cell's time line.

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Kaio (15) Super Namekian Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 439 Rep Power: 8	Re: Collected cells does not = source of techniques/power. Yet, he was completely surprised when he saw Piccolo regenerate his arm. . .

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Chibi Mystic Gohan (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Surrounded by dickgirls Posts: 5,448 Rep Power: 145	Re: Collected cells does not = source of techniques/power. No, I don't think Cell knew about his regeneration until after Piccolo showed him it, I presume. __________________ "Words don't exist so that we can tell the truth; they exist so that we can conceal the truth" - ZOMBIEPOWDER.* Volume 02*

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gad_is_here (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: I go with the naked ladies[;)] Posts: 2,507 Blog Entries: 7 Rep Power: 77	Re: Collected cells does not = source of techniques/power. I don't think so. It's not like someone showed Cell the Kamehameha. He knew it cause it was in his Cells. The same with Piccolo's regeneration I think. But he did act surprised __________________ Nobody's perfect and since I'm nobody... Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. Avoid fruits and nuts. You are what you eat. Jim Davis All true wisdom is found on T-shirts. Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.

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Kaio (15) Super Namekian Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 439 Rep Power: 8	Re: Collected cells does not = source of techniques/power. Dr. Gero's data showed him the "secrets of the kamehameha".