Vegeta>Goku? (Buu Saga)

USSJed · 07-09-2008

Ok, as I finished my TTPL I had an idea, an idea of grande proportions!

People constantly say, that Vegeta is weaker than Goku in the Buu saga because he needed the Majin powerup to equal Goku in strength. But these people always forget one thing. Goku is dead. And it is stated, that dead fighters are superior to live ones. Perhaps SSJ2 Goku could only hold his own against SSJ2 Majin Vegeta due in a similar way that #17 had the advantage over Piccolo?

Devilz · 07-09-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

And it is stated, that dead fighters are superior to live ones.

In terms of strength? Nope.

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Perhaps SSJ2 Goku could only hold his own against SSJ2 Majin Vegeta due in a similar way that #17 had the advantage over Piccolo?

No. SSJ2 Goku = SSJ2 Majin Vegeta > SSJ2 Vegeta.

USSJed · 07-09-2008

They have more durable bodies, and infinite energy.

Dead SSJ2 Goku=Majin Vegeta
Majin Vegeta>Vegeta

Thats what we know. But it could be;

SSJ2 Vegeta 100
Majin Bonus +10
SSJ2 Goku 100
Dead Bonus +10

Sorata · 07-09-2008

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They have more durable bodies, and infinite energy.

I believe nothing like this was stated in the manga. And Goku was getting tired from fighting with Majin Vegeta. Their fight was even all the time so they were losing almost equal amounts of strenght.

Pober · 07-09-2008

Goku has said to himself "we are almost the same." Goku Ssj2 = Majin Vegeta Ssj2, look what Vegeta has said, he has admittedly used Babidi to be stonger and made they powerlevel at the same level.

remixremix · 07-09-2008

SSj2 goku is equal to Majin Vegeta...SSJ2 goku is stronger by a good deal then SSJ2 Vegeta...

USSJed · 07-09-2008

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I believe nothing like this was stated in the manga. And Goku was getting tired from fighting with Majin Vegeta. Their fight was even all the time so they were losing almost equal amounts of strenght.

I remember the anime stating that, and my fanslation said something as well. It cannot be taken as canon until someone can find a manga quote to support it.

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SSj2 goku is equal to Majin Vegeta...SSJ2 goku is stronger by a good deal then SSJ2 Vegeta...

Are you blind, did none of you actually read what I said? We know that DEAD GOKU is stronger than Vegeta. We do not know how live Goku compares. If it is canon that dead warrior>live warrior, then statements like SSJ2 Goku>Vegeta become invalid, as we are talking about Dead Goku>Vegeta, as in, boosted SSJ2 Goku>Unboosted SSJ2 Vegeta. Which would be identical as saying that Majin Vegeta is stronger than Goku, but just not mentioning the Majin, and saying that Vegeta is stronger than Goku.

remixremix · 07-09-2008

Where did you get dead warriors >alive wariors

USSJed · 07-09-2008

I heard/read Goku say that A) Dead warriors had more durable bodies, and B) Dead warriors have infinite energy. Once again, don't know if that was anime, fanslation, or official manga.

**RandomPenguin** · 07-09-2008

until you can prove it was official manga he said nothing of the sort so SSJ2 Goku=Majin Vegeta>>>>>SSJ2 Vegeta...

burningvegeta · 07-09-2008

The only way Son Goku would have one over on Vegeta is in terms of being dead is the cost of energy was decreased for him. Thats the only advantage, along with the more durable body.

gad_is_here · 07-09-2008

SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Vegeta

Dead warriors have infinite powers only in the other world. Why else would Goku not be able to hold his SSJ3 form for long?

Goku has no special advantage in the living world, but Vegeta had the Majin power-up. Goku s clearly stronger

USSJed · 07-09-2008

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until you can prove it was official manga he said nothing of the sort so SSJ2 Goku=Majin Vegeta>>>>>SSJ2 Vegeta...

Well lets just act as if that were the case then, until some evidence either way can be found.

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The only way Son Goku would have one over on Vegeta is in terms of being dead is the cost of energy was decreased for him. Thats the only advantage, along with the more durable body.

Which would mean

Dead Goku=Majin Vegeta
Dead Goku>Live Goku
Majin Vegeta>Vegeta
Dead Goku>Vegeta
Majin Vegeta ? Goku
Vegeta ? Goku

Depends how much of an boost Majin is, and how much extra toughness and power a dead character would have.

gad_is_here · 07-09-2008

Dead Goku is stronger than live Goku only when he's in the world of the dead

uki1234 · 07-09-2008

Even while dead, Goku is completely same as alive, except while he's in otherworld, doesn't loose energy over time, and thats the ONLY place where he has infinite energy.

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USSJed (27) Lord Enma Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 5,711 Rep Power: 110	Vegeta>Goku? (Buu Saga) Ok, as I finished my TTPL I had an idea, an idea of grande proportions! People constantly say, that Vegeta is weaker than Goku in the Buu saga because he needed the Majin powerup to equal Goku in strength. But these people always forget one thing. Goku is dead. And it is stated, that dead fighters are superior to live ones. Perhaps SSJ2 Goku could only hold his own against SSJ2 Majin Vegeta due in a similar way that #17 had the advantage over Piccolo? __________________ USSJed: Thats fair enough, but what if, the NKikoho pushed Cell down through Sheer Force, no 'its a pushing attack that does no damage' or 'it mind controlled Cell to make him crash into the ground', just force.What PL would you give Tien, if Cell was 1,000,000,000 Hero: 100,000,000.

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USSJed (27) Lord Enma Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 5,711 Rep Power: 110	Re: Vegeta>Goku? (Buu Saga) They have more durable bodies, and infinite energy. Dead SSJ2 Goku=Majin Vegeta Majin Vegeta>Vegeta Thats what we know. But it could be; SSJ2 Vegeta 100 Majin Bonus +10 SSJ2 Goku 100 Dead Bonus +10 __________________ USSJed: Thats fair enough, but what if, the NKikoho pushed Cell down through Sheer Force, no 'its a pushing attack that does no damage' or 'it mind controlled Cell to make him crash into the ground', just force.What PL would you give Tien, if Cell was 1,000,000,000 Hero: 100,000,000.

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Pober (15) Super Namekian Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 443 Rep Power: 1	Re: Vegeta>Goku? (Buu Saga) Goku has said to himself "we are almost the same." Goku Ssj2 = Majin Vegeta Ssj2, look what Vegeta has said, he has admittedly used Babidi to be stonger and made they powerlevel at the same level.

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remixremix (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Neptune Posts: 3,264 Rep Power: 52	Re: Vegeta>Goku? (Buu Saga) SSj2 goku is equal to Majin Vegeta...SSJ2 goku is stronger by a good deal then SSJ2 Vegeta... __________________

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remixremix (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Neptune Posts: 3,264 Rep Power: 52	Re: Vegeta>Goku? (Buu Saga) Where did you get dead warriors >alive wariors __________________

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USSJed (27) Lord Enma Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 5,711 Rep Power: 110	Re: Vegeta>Goku? (Buu Saga) I heard/read Goku say that A) Dead warriors had more durable bodies, and B) Dead warriors have infinite energy. Once again, don't know if that was anime, fanslation, or official manga. __________________ USSJed: Thats fair enough, but what if, the NKikoho pushed Cell down through Sheer Force, no 'its a pushing attack that does no damage' or 'it mind controlled Cell to make him crash into the ground', just force.What PL would you give Tien, if Cell was 1,000,000,000 Hero: 100,000,000.

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gad_is_here (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: I go with the naked ladies[;)] Posts: 2,139 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 51	Re: Vegeta>Goku? (Buu Saga) SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Vegeta Dead warriors have infinite powers only in the other world. Why else would Goku not be able to hold his SSJ3 form for long? Goku has no special advantage in the living world, but Vegeta had the Majin power-up. Goku s clearly stronger __________________ Nobody's perfect and since I'm nobody... Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. Avoid fruits and nuts. You are what you eat. Jim Davis All true wisdom is found on T-shirts. Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.

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gad_is_here (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: I go with the naked ladies[;)] Posts: 2,139 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 51	Re: Vegeta>Goku? (Buu Saga) Dead Goku is stronger than live Goku only when he's in the world of the dead __________________ Nobody's perfect and since I'm nobody... Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. Avoid fruits and nuts. You are what you eat. Jim Davis All true wisdom is found on T-shirts. Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.

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uki1234 (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,204 Rep Power: 11	Re: Vegeta>Goku? (Buu Saga) Even while dead, Goku is completely same as alive, except while he's in otherworld, doesn't loose energy over time, and thats the ONLY place where he has infinite energy. __________________ First World War, the last defense of Belgrade: "Soldiers! Heroes! The supreme command has erased our regiment from its records. Our regiment has been sacrificed for the honor of Belgrade and the Fatherland. Therefore, you no longer have to worry for your lives - they do not exist anymore. So, forward to glory! For King and Fatherland! Long live the king! Long live Belgrade!" Major Dragutin Gavrilovic - Oct. 1915