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Old 07-09-2008   #31 (permalink)
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Yeah i'm new here
Majuub you are probably right that is filler, but it still think goku is stronger.
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Old 07-09-2008   #32 (permalink)
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I've always thought it was a shame that that scene was filler. It was pretty damn awesome.
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Old 07-09-2008   #33 (permalink)
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Default Re: Vegeta>Goku? (Buu Saga)

Goku: "Unbelievable...I thought I trained so hard in the afterlife...but we're dead even...You must've trained harder than I did..."

SSj2 Goku and SSj2 Vegeta (under Bobbidi's influence) are equals.
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Old 07-09-2008   #34 (permalink)
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That's about it. Base Vegeta might be more powerful then base Goku, but that's about it.
It's stated Base Goku > Base Vegeta, which is the sole reason why he decided to become possessed by Babidi.
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Well no, he only decides that after seeing Goku's SSJ2 power, which would imply that SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Vegeta, but nothing about the base power levels.
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Well no, he only decides that after seeing Goku's SSJ2 power, which would imply that SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Vegeta, but nothing about the base power levels.
So, you're telling me SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Vegeta, but Base Goku =/< Base Vegeta? I don't see the logic in that. Don't bring that multiplier crap in this thread, please. Hey, maybe Base Goten is stronger than Base Trunks. He probably just had a higher multiplier because he was older.
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Why would Vegeta "finally realize" he's much weaker once Goku uses a burst of SSJ2 power, then? He didn't even seem surprised at MSSJ Goku when he powered-up. He flat-out mentions it when he's talkin to Goku during their battle.
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Maybe he didn't know Goku could use SSJ2 until he actually used it?
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I was pretty much going say what Devilz did.
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Let's see...

Majin Vegeta > Vegeta
Majin Vegeta > Vegeta Super Sayajin
Majin Vegeta > Vegeta Super Sayajin 2

And I'm pretty sure that Goku is most likely a little bit stronger than Vegeta, jsut a little, so:

Goku Super Sayajin 2 > Vegeta Super Sayajin 2

But Majin Vegeta is a little bit stronger than Vegeta Super Sayajin 2.

So I would say that they're about equal.
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And I'm pretty sure that Goku is most likely a little bit stronger than Vegeta, jsut a little, so:

Goku Super Sayajin 2 > Vegeta Super Sayajin 2

But Majin Vegeta is a little bit stronger than Vegeta Super Sayajin 2.

So I would say that they're about equal.
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That goes against what was directly stated.
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So, you're telling me SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Vegeta, but Base Goku =/< Base Vegeta? I don't see the logic in that. Don't bring that multiplier crap in this thread, please. Hey, maybe Base Goten is stronger than Base Trunks. He probably just had a higher multiplier because he was older.
Did I say anything about multipliers? I despise multipliers, something that's well known here. Besides, nothing I said there even implied mulipliers.

I called it as I saw it. And I saw Vegeta only really having his revelation when Goku went SSJ2.
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I called it as I saw it. And I saw Vegeta only really having his revelation when Goku went SSJ2.
But how does it make sense that Vegeta is stronger than Goku in his base form, if Goku was stronger in his Super Saiyan 2 form?

There's no logic behind that.
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But how does it make sense that Vegeta is stronger than Goku in his base form, if Goku was stronger in his Super Saiyan 2 form?

There's no logic behind that.
I have no idea. But I was going by the evidence I had.
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Wasn't Vegeta supposed to be going against Goku in base form in the tourney? If so, you would think Vegeta acknowledging Goku's superior would've already been done.
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