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Old 07-09-2008   #16 (permalink)
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Default Re: Vegeta>Goku? (Buu Saga)

It's a good idea, but it's never really implied like that in the manga. Sorry mate.
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Default Re: Vegeta>Goku? (Buu Saga)

The Majin power up probably has a far bigger multiplier than "being dead", anyway. Especially since the only, and I mean only plus side to Goku being dead that was stated in the manga was that Super Sayajin 3 didn't cause as much strain as it would if he was alive. However, to compensate for this strain, Goku's "living timer" goes down extremely quickly. I personally think that your already short "living timer" decreasing extremely rapidly would be a bigger disadvantage than having strain on the body, anyway. However, from this we can determine that:

Being half dead half alive for a limited amount of time </= Being alive.

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Having your "living timer" decrease rapidly =/> Having an incredible amount of strain on your body.

Also, no other plus sides are stated besides that.
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If the strain of SSJ3 is reduced to a bearable level, then the strain of SSJ2 would also be reduced, at the cost of your 24 hours decreasing at a much lower rate than the SSJ3 time drain. That would give dead Goku a slight advantage over live Goku, as it seems to me that they have mastered SSJ2 by that stage.

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I am certain what uki said about infinite energy in otherworld is the case as well. Was it stated that Goku does not get infinite energy in living world?
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No, there was no power loss, something unique to the SSJ3 form. SSJ2 wouldn't have had any boosts or anything =/
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If he has infinity energy on Earth, he wouldn't be drained by SSJ3 so much.... You can see that Goku was pretty drained when he returned to Kami's lookout, when he was all sweating and he was catching his breath when he returned to normal after fight with Fat Buu in SSJ3.

Goku also said when he returned to Kami's lookout that SSJ3 drains his energy too much, and is only supposed to be used in afterlife, cos he has infinite energy obviously...
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He only has infinite energy in Otherworld.
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I am certain what uki said about infinite energy in otherworld is the case as well. Was it stated that Goku does not get infinite energy in living world?
Infinite energy? Like the Cyborgs? Oh, god.

That was never, ever stated in the manga, If Uki thinks that it was stated, then he should prove it with a scan. Or at least with some stated dialogue.
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Something to do with Goku's comments in his battle against Kid Buu. It's more of an implication really.
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Something to do with Goku's comments in his battle against Kid Buu. It's more of an implication really.
Goku does have infinite energy in the Otherworld. However, when he's half dead - half alive, Goku doesn't know that his Super Sayajin 3 form drains his "life timer" until King Kai tell him that, and even them, Goku might not have heard him.
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He only has infinite energy in Otherworld.
Thats what I'm saying all the time -_-
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Add that to the "ME AND MADNESS BOTH AGREE UPON IT" thread
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The only time the effects of a dead body are visible is when a warrior is SSJ3. Look at Goku when he was fighting Majin Vegeta, he was SSJ2 all the time and he was losing energy at the same pace he would lose if he was alive. The notable difference is when he's SSJ3 as there is a massive Ki drain.

Note the difference, Goku stated that the SSJ3 was a technic with limited durability and that he wanted to keep it in reserve, he never said such a thing about SSJ2 or SSJ. Now, the SSJ3 drains the Ki even if the fighter doesn't move, the fighter can just stand there and there is still a massive Ki drain, it isn't the case with the SSJ2. Goku's Ki decreases faster when he's alive as an SSJ3 than when he's dead as an SSJ3. SSJ2 or SSJ makes no difference.

If Goku takes a hit dead or alive as an SSJ3, he'll sustain the same amount of damage in both cases, but if he fights dead he'll last longer and there won't be any massive Ki drain. As there is no massive Ki drain with the SSJ2, it's safe to assume being dead or alive as an SSJ2 makes no difference.
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Goku is not more durable at all. When he woke up, he was pissed that Vegeta took the senzu, was about to eat a half of the senzu when they were going to attack Majin Buu, and needed Dende to heal him when he returned to the lookout. He's basically the same Goku, except, he could control SSJ3 much better without the chi-drain.

That's about it. Base Vegeta might be more powerful then base Goku, but that's about it.
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I think the answer to that is in the Kid Buu fight. Goku(alive) in the ssj2 gave a bit of a fight to Kid Buu(not much) but Vegeta Dead in ssj2 he had no change against kid buu, so i think Goku is stronger
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I think the answer to that is in the Kid Buu fight. Goku(alive) in the ssj2 gave a bit of a fight to Kid Buu(not much) but Vegeta Dead in ssj2 he had no change against kid buu, so i think Goku is stronger
You're new, it seems you don't know about canon and non canon yet. You'll learn though. Goku fighting Chibi Buu in his SSJ2 state is filler, therefore it has no bearing in this discussion.
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