ZOMG Plot Holes

hero_764 · 07-06-2008

Post some plot holes/annoyances you have found while reading/watching DBZ.

Here's some of the ones that I notice the most:

1) Vegeta says he's the strongest being in the universe, but the next fucking volume they introduce Frieza as being the strongest. I can understand Frieza saying he's the strongest and not knowing about Buu's existence and such/toriyama hadn't thought of buu yet. But he had to have planned out Frieza by the time he was writing the fight between Goku and Vegeta, so why would he have Vegeta, not just saying, but thinking to himself that he's the strongest fighter in the universe?

2) Why do Yamcha/Tien/Piccolo/Chaozu always say that Vegeta killed them? Yamcha was killed by a Saibamen, Chaozu and Tien killed themselves, and Piccolo was killed by Nappa. Vegeta just sat back and watched, he had nothing to do with it at all. I would've lol'd so hard if they asked Porunga to bring back everyone who Vegeta killed on earth and no one came back. pwnt noobs

3) Piccolo said that he could regenerate any amount of flesh as long as his brain was intact, so how come when Goku blew Cell's upper half off he could still regenerate? Don't tell me that his brain was actually located in his lower half, because when explaining how he became Super Perfect Cell he points to his head and even says that his core is located in his head. WTF?

Anyways there's plenty more, but these three annoy me the most. Post some more of your own.

Evil Vegeta · 07-07-2008

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Post some plot holes/annoyances you have found while reading/watching DBZ.

Here's some of the ones that I notice the most:

1) Vegeta says he's the strongest being in the universe, but the next fucking volume they introduce Frieza as being the strongest. I can understand Frieza saying he's the strongest and not knowing about Buu's existence and such/toriyama hadn't thought of buu yet. But he had to have planned out Frieza by the time he was writing the fight between Goku and Vegeta, so why would he have Vegeta, not just saying, but thinking to himself that he's the strongest fighter in the universe?

Well, this isn't really a plot-hole. Vegeta was focused on finishing Goku and all of the rest off, so they would've never knew anyone outside of Vegeta being powerful. In the original, however, instead of Vegeta mentioning he's the strongest, he mentions that he's "the #1 warrior among Saiyans", if this is the part after Goku kicked him around with Kaioken.

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2) Why do Yamcha/Tien/Piccolo/Chaozu always say that Vegeta killed them? Yamcha was killed by a Saibamen, Chaozu and Tien killed themselves, and Piccolo was killed by Nappa. Vegeta just sat back and watched, he had nothing to do with it at all. I would've lol'd so hard if they asked Porunga to bring back everyone who Vegeta killed on earth and no one came back. pwnt noobs

Vegeta ordered it, though. It was the same regarding Freeza; Freeza didn't really attack the nameks, it was Dodoria & Zarbon for the most part. Nappa & the Cultivars were under Vegeta's command, since he called the shots. So that's why they continously said that in my opinion.

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3) Piccolo said that he could regenerate any amount of flesh as long as his brain was intact, so how come when Goku blew Cell's upper half off he could still regenerate? Don't tell me that his brain was actually located in his lower half, because when explaining how he became Super Perfect Cell he points to his head and even says that his core is located in his head. WTF?

Yeah, this is a plot-hole. That full-power Kame beam should've finished Cell, but it didn't. Cell is much different from Piccolo, so it could be looked at that way. Goku obviously attacked him pretty good, but not good enough. When a couple cells are still there, Cell will regenerate. Goku or someone even noted that Cell still had a lot of chi before he even regenerated.

My plot-hole:

Gohan fighting Dabura as a SSJ only.

hero_764 · 07-07-2008

Vegeta may have ordered their deaths, but that really only applies for Yamcha and Piccolo. Tien and Chaozu killed themselves lol.

And how is that a plot hole? Was Dabura stated to be above the level of a SSJ(haven't read the later part of the series in awhile).

Evil Vegeta · 07-07-2008

Goku stated Dabura to be about equal to Cell in power. We know Cell is above any MSSJ, let alone a MSSJ that hasn't trained for seven years; yet, Gohan still does pretty good. That's why I think it's a plot-hole.

Torankasu · 07-07-2008

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Goku stated Dabura to be about equal to Cell in power. We know Cell is above any MSSJ, let alone a MSSJ that hasn't trained for seven years; yet, Gohan still does pretty good. That's why I think it's a plot-hole.

Dabura is either holding back or Gohan was a SSJ2.
I guess we will all have to blame it on Akira Toriyama in making Dabura fight with an out of shape MSSJ......

SSJBulma · 07-07-2008

Vegeta is vain and arrogant and wishes he was the most powerful fighter. Of course he's going to boast of that fact and maybe Vegeta believes in his own ego that much that it appears in his own world that he can't be bested. It's rare when you see him completely admit he can't defeat his oppononet (He actually said so about Broly, well he said there's no point fighting).

I get what you're saying with your second point, but I suppose it's more of a technical problem, than a plothole.
Did they wish back everyone who Cell had killed after Cell Games or did they wish back everyone generally? Cos if they only ished back those Cell had killed, what about those the Androids got as well?
And can you wish back Androids...cos I'm curious about 16 now.

The Cell Bye Bye Head plothole is exactly that, a plothole.Silly AT.

Madness · 07-07-2008

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1) Vegeta says he's the strongest being in the universe, but the next fucking volume they introduce Frieza as being the strongest. I can understand Frieza saying he's the strongest and not knowing about Buu's existence and such/toriyama hadn't thought of buu yet. But he had to have planned out Frieza by the time he was writing the fight between Goku and Vegeta, so why would he have Vegeta, not just saying, but thinking to himself that he's the strongest fighter in the universe?

Well it might be a dialogue mistake as was mentioned earlier, or it might simply be Vegeta's arrogance, as already mentioned. Vegeta does make a lot of reference to him being the strongest of the Saiyans, so I prefer the first option.

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2) Why do Yamcha/Tien/Piccolo/Chaozu always say that Vegeta killed them? Yamcha was killed by a Saibamen, Chaozu and Tien killed themselves, and Piccolo was killed by Nappa. Vegeta just sat back and watched, he had nothing to do with it at all. I would've lol'd so hard if they asked Porunga to bring back everyone who Vegeta killed on earth and no one came back. pwnt noobs

As already mentioned, Vegeta ordered it and he was the main villain at that point. He might not have killed many people (hell, he killed more people on his side than Goku's side), but he was still the number one villain at the time.

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3) Piccolo said that he could regenerate any amount of flesh as long as his brain was intact, so how come when Goku blew Cell's upper half off he could still regenerate? Don't tell me that his brain was actually located in his lower half, because when explaining how he became Super Perfect Cell he points to his head and even says that his core is located in his head. WTF?

Well Darkprince has a theory detailing the "secondary node" that kicks in should the node in his head become destroyed. I think this truely is a plothole though, and it can't really be explained without twisting the facts or "making shit up".

Tyro · 07-07-2008

Goku: "This Kin-to'un you gave me is awesome!!"

Muten Roshi: "Of course it is! I got it straight from Kami-sama himself!"

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Goku: "Th-Then the Kinto'un that I got from the old turtle guy..."

Karin-sama: "Yes. I gave it to him long ago."

Devilz · 07-07-2008

Did Karin get it from Kami? lol

Madness · 07-07-2008

Maybe Roshi thought that Karin was Kami.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 07-08-2008

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The Cell Bye Bye Head plothole is exactly that, a plothole.Silly AT.

That may not be a plothole, but it is rather misconstrued as such. The dialogue structure after Cell's self-destruction and regeneration hints to such - he states that he should have died not because he lost his head but because he was asundered to a microscopic state. His core, 'cluster', or failsafe, is what survived as the cluster was the only piece of his structure that could continue to regenerate on a microscopic level if Cell couldn't at will. It's not a vital part of him by full intents and means, just as last resort failsafe that lives up to its rudimentary purpose. Hence why his body still had the structure to regenerate from MSSj Goku's teleportation + full power Kamehameha blow in tandem. It also expounds upon why it wasn't a death-incurring blow, which in turn means no auto-evolution increase.

I'm not sure Toriyama-sensei thought about the whole hooplah in that sort of depth if any, but I feel that would be a valid explanation.

Broly · 07-08-2008

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Goku stated Dabura to be about equal to Cell in power. We know Cell is above any MSSJ, let alone a MSSJ that hasn't trained for seven years; yet, Gohan still does pretty good. That's why I think it's a plot-hole.

Actually, it's one of those things that you simply have to interpret. Goku said, "I guess they're about the same" [speaking of Dabra and Cell], but he gives no specifics on which state of Cell's power he is referring to. So we must take Goku's statement as a very rough comparison, and we cannot just say that Dabra equals Cell's full power because of that. Vegeta speaks about Dabra as if he's nothing, saying that they could've easily handled him as long as they dodged his spit. I doubt Vegeta surpassed Cell's full power by that time, but at any rate in this case, Dabra is just fodder to Vegeta and Goku here. If Vegeta can easily defeat Dabra, then so can Full Power Complete Cell.

Vegeta also states that Gohan is weaker than he was before. Now, taking Goku's rough statement into account, along with Gohan's fighting performance as a Super Saiyan against Dabra, it's pretty safe to say that Dabra is actually around Complete Cell's powered up state-the level of strength Cell used to combat MSSj Goku. If Gohan is weaker than before, and he can fight Dabra almost equally here in his fight, then based on deductive reasoning, Goku may have been indirectly comparing Dabra to Complete Cell's powered up state. Which in full meaning places MSSj Gohan's level in the Buu Arc around or a bit below MSSj Goku [Cell Game].

gad_is_here · 07-08-2008

Too many in DBZ to count

SaiyajinPerfection · 07-08-2008

There are a lot of plotholes in the series.

The Super Saiyan legend:
Vegeta states at least three versions of the legend. One version is that a Super Saiyan emerges every thousand years. A second version is that a Super Saiyan hadn't appeared in over a thousand years (signifying that anyone could've become a Super Saiyan at anytime in Saiyan history). And in a third version, Vegeta states "Super Saiyans of legend", as in more than one. Whether or not he was speaking about more than one at a single point in history is unknown.

The Cell Nucleus:
This one is probably the most noticed plothole in the series. Cell said that he could regenerate as long as the nucleus (in his head) isn't damaged, yet he regenerates after Goku blows his block off. I think that Cell stated that his nucleus was undamaged when he self-destructed, which would explain why he could regenerate and return to Earth.

*Vegeta and Gohan's tails never growing back, as well as Goten and Trunks not being born with tails. (Simply a mistake by AT)

Devilz · 07-08-2008

Just because Goten and Trunks weren't seen with tails doesn't mean they weren't born with tails. You weren't there when they were born.

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hero_764 (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,117 Rep Power: 67	ZOMG Plot Holes Post some plot holes/annoyances you have found while reading/watching DBZ. Here's some of the ones that I notice the most: 1) Vegeta says he's the strongest being in the universe, but the next fucking volume they introduce Frieza as being the strongest. I can understand Frieza saying he's the strongest and not knowing about Buu's existence and such/toriyama hadn't thought of buu yet. But he had to have planned out Frieza by the time he was writing the fight between Goku and Vegeta, so why would he have Vegeta, not just saying, but thinking to himself that he's the strongest fighter in the universe? 2) Why do Yamcha/Tien/Piccolo/Chaozu always say that Vegeta killed them? Yamcha was killed by a Saibamen, Chaozu and Tien killed themselves, and Piccolo was killed by Nappa. Vegeta just sat back and watched, he had nothing to do with it at all. I would've lol'd so hard if they asked Porunga to bring back everyone who Vegeta killed on earth and no one came back. pwnt noobs 3) Piccolo said that he could regenerate any amount of flesh as long as his brain was intact, so how come when Goku blew Cell's upper half off he could still regenerate? Don't tell me that his brain was actually located in his lower half, because when explaining how he became Super Perfect Cell he points to his head and even says that his core is located in his head. WTF? Anyways there's plenty more, but these three annoy me the most. Post some more of your own. __________________ Corruption RPG - Join Today! Top 5 Villains: 1. Vegeta 2. Cui 3. Raditz 4. Frieza 5. Im/Semi Perfect Cell Top 5 Heroes: 1. Piccolo 2. Nail 3. Goku 4. Yajirobe 5. Krillin Dragon Ball/Z Power Levels

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hero_764 (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,117 Rep Power: 67	Re: ZOMG Plot Holes Vegeta may have ordered their deaths, but that really only applies for Yamcha and Piccolo. Tien and Chaozu killed themselves lol. And how is that a plot hole? Was Dabura stated to be above the level of a SSJ(haven't read the later part of the series in awhile). __________________ Corruption RPG - Join Today! Top 5 Villains: 1. Vegeta 2. Cui 3. Raditz 4. Frieza 5. Im/Semi Perfect Cell Top 5 Heroes: 1. Piccolo 2. Nail 3. Goku 4. Yajirobe 5. Krillin Dragon Ball/Z Power Levels

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SSJBulma (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a soup-kitchen stealin your soupz! Posts: 8,221 Blog Entries: 7 Rep Power: 103	Re: ZOMG Plot Holes Vegeta is vain and arrogant and wishes he was the most powerful fighter. Of course he's going to boast of that fact and maybe Vegeta believes in his own ego that much that it appears in his own world that he can't be bested. It's rare when you see him completely admit he can't defeat his oppononet (He actually said so about Broly, well he said there's no point fighting). I get what you're saying with your second point, but I suppose it's more of a technical problem, than a plothole. Did they wish back everyone who Cell had killed after Cell Games or did they wish back everyone generally? Cos if they only ished back those Cell had killed, what about those the Androids got as well? And can you wish back Androids...cos I'm curious about 16 now. The Cell Bye Bye Head plothole is exactly that, a plothole.Silly AT. __________________ http://revandesigns.weebly.com/gaming-newsreviews.html

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SaiyajinPerfection (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Not where you are Posts: 1,453 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 20	Re: ZOMG Plot Holes There are a lot of plotholes in the series. The Super Saiyan legend: Vegeta states at least three versions of the legend. One version is that a Super Saiyan emerges every thousand years. A second version is that a Super Saiyan hadn't appeared in over a thousand years (signifying that anyone could've become a Super Saiyan at anytime in Saiyan history). And in a third version, Vegeta states "Super Saiyans of legend", as in more than one. Whether or not he was speaking about more than one at a single point in history is unknown. The Cell Nucleus: This one is probably the most noticed plothole in the series. Cell said that he could regenerate as long as the nucleus (in his head) isn't damaged, yet he regenerates after Goku blows his block off. I think that Cell stated that his nucleus was undamaged when he self-destructed, which would explain why he could regenerate and return to Earth. Vegeta and Gohan's tails never growing back, as well as Goten and Trunks not being born with tails. (Simply a mistake by AT) __________________ Formerly the member demonkingpiccolo* "Let's put a SMILE on that face!" REP OWED: Madness, Madness, Madness, Madness, Frieza the Tyrant, Madness, Madness, SSJBulma, Madness, Madness, Madness, The Green Dragon, Madness....and...oh wait, did I mention Madness?