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Old 07-08-2008   #31 (permalink)
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That would probably mean he already knows SSJ2 can't beat Buu.
And he knew base couldn't. He was thinking only of the drama. Going to SSJ2 would've been more drama, so why didn't he do it?
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And he knew base couldn't. He was thinking only of the drama. Going to SSJ2 would've been more drama, so why didn't he do it?
He clearly underestimated Buu. He really thought SSJ was enough anyway, so why waste SSJ2 when he thinks he can win as a SSJ?

He didn't use SSJ2 because it was the level in between him being "Not so serious" and "Serious". Once he got serious, he went SSJ3 since that's his most powerful form.
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He knew SSJ wasn't enough. He was working his way up to SSJ3 =/
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He knew SSJ wasn't enough. He was working his way up to SSJ3 =/
Not when he first went SSJ. He even thought that Buu wouldn't survive his first attack.

He only knew SSJ wasn't enough after a few attempts at killing Buu and failing miserably. All he wanted to do after that was scare Piccolo. Again, no need for SSJ2 in that situation.
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Then why not go to SSJ2 instead of SSJ3?
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Default Re: Did Gotenks skip SS2?

Trunks talked about the "special transformation" when they were done training, which is SSJ3. There's no point in not going right to SSJ3 when they were going to surprise Piccolo with it in the end, anyway.
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Then why not go to SSJ2 instead of SSJ3?
When did he ever need SSJ2?

He even said that he "Had" to use SSJ3 to get out of ROSAT so I guess he didn't think SSJ2 would be enough. Besides, why waste time when he can just be in his strongest form which is much more likely to get out?
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Besides, why waste time when he can just be in his strongest form which is much more likely to get out?
Exactly, why waste time from the beginning of the match? Why use base and why use SSJ?
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Exactly, why waste time from the beginning of the match? Why use base and why use SSJ?
Dub line said by Trunks, which is exactly what Gotenks did (I haven't read the manga, so it could be different).

Goten: "So we jump to our new super form and beat him in like, four minutes!"

Trunks: "That's stupid. Warriors drag out their fights as long as possible."

And Gotenks followed Trunks's plan: Drag out the fight for the sake of drama.
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It was a rhetorical question, but thank you for proving my point =D
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Exactly, why waste time from the beginning of the match? Why use base and why use SSJ?
Because Gotenks was cocky. He thought if base wasn't enough, SSJ would beat Buu for sure (And it's confirmed that was the way he was thinking.)

The situation where he went SSJ3 was completely different because he wasn't fighting Buu when he first transformed and thought he would need it to escape ROSAT.

Do you think Gotenks would try to "Drag out" escaping from ROSAT or something? :/
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Which isn't nessecarily true, as we don't know if SSJ2 is needed to go SSJ3. We can assume so, but why wasn't it used?
because SS3 is more dramatic and effective
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And he knew base couldn't. He was thinking only of the drama. Going to SSJ2 would've been more drama, so why didn't he do it?
Its more dramatic to be losing in base first, then use SS as a "failed attempt" and then not overdue it with another failed attempt, SS2, and just skip it strait into SS3.
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He clearly underestimated Buu. He really thought SSJ was enough anyway, so why waste SSJ2 when he thinks he can win as a SSJ?

He didn't use SSJ2 because it was the level in between him being "Not so serious" and "Serious". Once he got serious, he went SSJ3 since that's his most powerful form.
He was only thinking of drama.
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He knew SSJ wasn't enough. He was working his way up to SSJ3 =/
So, you're saying drama?
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Not when he first went SSJ. He even thought that Buu wouldn't survive his first attack.

He only knew SSJ wasn't enough after a few attempts at killing Buu and failing miserably. All he wanted to do after that was scare Piccolo. Again, no need for SSJ2 in that situation.
No, he was being dramatic.
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Then why not go to SSJ2 instead of SSJ3?
SS2 wouldn't be strong enough and he'd be overdoing the "failed attempt" dramatic effect. He needed to get from the "failed attempt" effect to the "beat him at the last second" effect before he overdid it, so strait to the form that will win, SS3.
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When did he ever need SSJ2?

He even said that he "Had" to use SSJ3 to get out of ROSAT so I guess he didn't think SSJ2 would be enough. Besides, why waste time when he can just be in his strongest form which is much more likely to get out?
for DRAMA! But still, he can go SS2
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Exactly, why waste time from the beginning of the match? Why use base and why use SSJ?
for DRAMA!
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Dub line said by Trunks, which is exactly what Gotenks did (I haven't read the manga, so it could be different).

Goten: "So we jump to our new super form and beat him in like, four minutes!"

Trunks: "That's stupid. Warriors drag out their fights as long as possible."

And Gotenks followed Trunks's plan: Drag out the fight for the sake of drama.
Actually, in the original japanese manga, the whole scene was replaced by a picture of naked Bulma.
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Can I saiyan reach SSJ2 without having at least achieved SSJ?? So, you get the idea.
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Can I saiyan reach SSJ2 without having at least achieved SSJ?? So, you get the idea.
Except that Super Saiyan 2 is explicitely called Ascended Super Saiyan. It's different.

I don't even know why I'm arguing this. Just being devil's advocate I guess.
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