Y does ssj have to have a multiplier - Page 2

Madness · 07-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Devilz

Here's another "Just the answer I was expecting" for you.

Oooo, ouch. But seriously, why? There was me thinking that you actually debated stuff and had some modicum of respect for you. C'mon, I know I can't prove my standpoint, but you can't disprove it either, so I know I'm in a position that can't be won here, but you could at least try. D'you really have that little respect for people?

uki1234 · 07-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

Yup, 'cos the manga shows that Vegetto was the stronger. How much stronger is up for interpretation.

Interpretation based on manga >> pointless, baseless and often stupid intrepretation(like previous example).

Thats why:

Devilz >> You

Devilz · 07-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

Oooo, ouch. But seriously, why? There was me thinking that you actually debated stuff and had some modicum of respect for you. C'mon, I know I can't prove my standpoint, but you can't disprove it either, so I know I'm in a position that can't be won here, but you could at least try. D'you really have that little respect for people?

No, I'm not interested in debating something where neither side can win.

Madness · 07-02-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

Interpretation based on manga >> pointless, baseless and often stupid intrepretation(like previous example).

Thats why:

Devilz >> You

It's not an interpretation, it's a theory that they applied to the rest of the manga without due proof. No interpretation is stupid and if you think so then you're severly blinkered to the possibilities of other outcomes and I pity you.

And c'mon, ">>"? Please.

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Originally Posted by Devilz

No, I'm not interested in debating something where neither side can win.

Ah so you're more interested in winning than exploring other possible ideas? Nothing wrong with picking your fights, but when it isn't really a fight...

Evil Vegeta · 07-02-2008

Oh, my goodness.

Anyway, I think it's more appropiate for SSJ to have a multiplier because it'll be easier to determine their level of power in my opinion. That's about all I'm going to say on the matter.

Devilz · 07-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

Ah so you're more interested in winning than exploring other possible ideas?

I explore ideas with reason and thought behind them, not ones that are "you can't disprove me so it's possible"

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Originally Posted by Madness

Nothing wrong with picking your fights, but when it isn't really a fight...

I don't know what you're talking about, lol.

Madness · 07-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Devilz

I explore ideas with reason and thought behind them, not ones that are "you can't disprove me so it's possible"

The idea is, it's possible. We know that Vegetto is stronger. We don't know by how much and there's no way of telling. Power level lists are more about your interpretation than being right.

I simply wanted you to admit that it could be possible.

Devilz · 07-02-2008

Of course it's possible. I would never say something is impossible (unless it really is).

But if I was a betting man, I would say that there's a 99.99% chance you're wrong.

Madness · 07-02-2008

And I would say that there's no bookmakers that would put odds on it.

~~JC#1~~ · 07-02-2008

I think that there isn't a set multiplier, but in Earth's gravity, under no training as a super saiyan (training in the base form shouldn't affect the multiplier unless you're training bits of SS energy without transforming, which I've never seen done before) With no weights, with the saiyan being at his average physicalcondition, and pretty much no different variables, there should be an exact multiplier. But these conditions change all the time so so does the multiplier.

USSJed · 07-04-2008

Oozaru is a multiplier, Kaoken is a multiplier, Super Saiyan is a multiplier. And the idea that it would decrease and then stop decreasing is foolish indeed.

jimbob631 · 07-04-2008

Yea but those had actual numbers given to them ssj did not. Why can't Goku get more powerful than Vegeta from turning ssj or vice versa (just using a random example).

USSJed · 07-04-2008

I am assuming you mean why can't Goku increase by say, 55x and Vegeta 50x ?

Thats entirely possible, but if you look at Oozaru, thats a x10 multiplier for every Saiyan. Why would SSJ be different?

gad_is_here · 07-04-2008

Isn't SSJ and Oozaru different?

Madness · 07-04-2008

Was Gohan's Oozaru during his training with Piccolo filler? I believe it is.

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Madness Commander Madness (29) King of Soul Society Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Seeing how long I can make this entry, simply for lol reasons. Maybe I can make it stretch to the o- Posts: 9,152 Blog Entries: 9 Rep Power: 165	Re: Y does ssj have to have a multiplier And I would say that there's no bookmakers that would put odds on it. __________________

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~~JC#1~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,806 Rep Power: 0	Re: Y does ssj have to have a multiplier I think that there isn't a set multiplier, but in Earth's gravity, under no training as a super saiyan (training in the base form shouldn't affect the multiplier unless you're training bits of SS energy without transforming, which I've never seen done before) With no weights, with the saiyan being at his average physicalcondition, and pretty much no different variables, there should be an exact multiplier. But these conditions change all the time so so does the multiplier.

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USSJed (27) Lord Enma Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 5,755 Rep Power: 113	Re: Y does ssj have to have a multiplier Oozaru is a multiplier, Kaoken is a multiplier, Super Saiyan is a multiplier. And the idea that it would decrease and then stop decreasing is foolish indeed. __________________ USSJed: Thats fair enough, but what if, the NKikoho pushed Cell down through Sheer Force, no 'its a pushing attack that does no damage' or 'it mind controlled Cell to make him crash into the ground', just force.What PL would you give Tien, if Cell was 1,000,000,000 Hero: 100,000,000.

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jimbob631 (3) Champion of Justice Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	Re: Y does ssj have to have a multiplier Yea but those had actual numbers given to them ssj did not. Why can't Goku get more powerful than Vegeta from turning ssj or vice versa (just using a random example).

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USSJed (27) Lord Enma Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 5,755 Rep Power: 113	Re: Y does ssj have to have a multiplier I am assuming you mean why can't Goku increase by say, 55x and Vegeta 50x ? Thats entirely possible, but if you look at Oozaru, thats a x10 multiplier for every Saiyan. Why would SSJ be different? __________________ USSJed: Thats fair enough, but what if, the NKikoho pushed Cell down through Sheer Force, no 'its a pushing attack that does no damage' or 'it mind controlled Cell to make him crash into the ground', just force.What PL would you give Tien, if Cell was 1,000,000,000 Hero: 100,000,000.

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gad_is_here (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: I go with the naked ladies[;)] Posts: 2,174 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 53	Re: Y does ssj have to have a multiplier Isn't SSJ and Oozaru different? __________________ Nobody's perfect and since I'm nobody... Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. Avoid fruits and nuts. You are what you eat. Jim Davis All true wisdom is found on T-shirts. Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.

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Madness Commander Madness (29) King of Soul Society Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Seeing how long I can make this entry, simply for lol reasons. Maybe I can make it stretch to the o- Posts: 9,152 Blog Entries: 9 Rep Power: 165	Re: Y does ssj have to have a multiplier Was Gohan's Oozaru during his training with Piccolo filler? I believe it is. __________________