Yet another power level list. But... - Page 2

Mr-Blonde_139 · 07-01-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

Well, I consider SSJ Mirai Gohan being more powerful then SSJ Goku, and I think SSJ Mirai Trunks is around Gohan's power when he's finished training. That's why I think Trunks should at least be around 160-170,000,000. That's not a great difference, but SSJ Goku was quite weakened, so I think Trunks should be above that.

I think Goku got rejuvenated by the onset of his transformation, which is why I have them even. Plus, Gohan was probably only around 50% #17, which is why I have him so low at the time of his death.

[EDIT] Actually, Gohan seemed pretty confident he could take #17, so I might raise him to 160,000,000. And like you suggested, I lowered SSj Trunks to 144,000,000, so he got stronger from his battle with #17 and #18. Not sure about changing Trunks' level when he fought Freeza though, since present Gohan said he was as strong as Goku on Namek.

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Originally Posted by Cableguy15

Very nice list. There are only a few minor things I'd like to bring up.

Well, it was stated that the cultivars rivaled Raditz, but "rivaled" and "equal" are two different things. I think you should make Raditz a little stronger.

I think you should give Vegeta a level before he gets serious. Goku seemed to be dominating with Kaio-ken one second, but then losing the next when Vegeta got serious.

I think Goku actually got the worst of that exchange. I say this because when he was thinking to himself he said that if things kept going the way they were going his body would "Fold up" first.

How come you don't have "Spamming Chi blasts" anymore?

I think you should add Jeice's Crusher ball and give it a power level. It seemed to be his finisher.

1. 1200 works best for the damage he took from Gohan, so I stuck with that.

2. I added these:

Vegeta (holding back): 8400
Vegeta (increased effort): 15,000
Vegeta (further increased effort): 16,800
Vegeta (full power): 18,450

3. Well, remember that Goku's power level was a lot less than Vegeta's. So, if he'd lost a little less power than Vegeta, that was his max slowly dripping away, as the weaker he got, the harder it would be to sustain Kaio-Ken. So I don't think the amount of power I have either losing is that bad.

4. I stole it from Devilz, so I took it out.

5. Added. The level was 54,000

Thanks for the kind words!

uki1234 · 07-01-2008

How come Gohan(enraged against Vegeta) is over 2800. That doesn't make much sense.

Mr-Blonde_139 · 07-01-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

How come Gohan(enraged against Vegeta) is over 2800. That doesn't make much sense.

I know it doesn't make a lot of sense. This is something I talked about with Devilz. Basically, Gohan's pl shoots up randomly when he gets angry - it doesn't really appear to have any set limit or multiplier. So I just gave him a level that would allow him to rival a weakened Vegeta, and I can't really drop Vegeta any more without making his power loss from injuries completely absurd.

Devilz · 07-01-2008

Why wouldn't it make much sense though?

uki1234 · 07-01-2008

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Originally Posted by Mr-Blonde_139

I know it doesn't make a lot of sense. This is something I talked about with Devilz. Basically, Gohan's pl shoots up randomly when he gets angry - it doesn't really appear to have any set limit or multiplier

Well, I disagree. It depends on how much he got angry and his present power level(the anger mutliplier).

It is true that there is no universal multiplier, and the power bonus he gets depends on plot demands, but thinking that he could surpass 2,800 at that point is very little believable, cos his base power hasn't changed at all, and he seemed less furious than the situation where Piccolo died.(not to mention that 2,800 is a chi blast level, not his own).

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Originally Posted by Mr-Blonde_139

I can't really drop Vegeta any more without making his power loss from injuries completely absurd.

Vegeta being in low thousands after the beam struggle(he should be dead if there weren't for plot device), and being at lets say 2500-3000 after energy moon seems fine to me.

Anyway seeing how he was acting in Oozaru form it seems better to me that he was at lets say 25,000 than 80,000 or whatever.

gad_is_here · 07-01-2008

2,800 seems fine to me

Mr-Blonde_139 · 07-01-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

Vegeta being in low thousands after the beam struggle(he should be dead if there weren't for plot device), and being at lets say 2500-3000 after energy moon seems fine to me.

Anyway seeing how he was acting in Oozaru form it seems better to me that he was at lets say 25,000 than 80,000 or whatever.

Those are good points. I might try and revise that part of the Saiyan saga later today.

~~JC#1~~ · 07-01-2008

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Originally Posted by Mr-Blonde_139

Super Saiyan: 50x base

CELL ARC

Super Saiyan:
- The Future: 40x base (Mirai Gohan), 50x base (Mirai Trunks)
- Arrival of Mirai Trunks: 50x base (Goku, Mirai Trunks)
- Battle with the Androids: 40x base (Goku, Vegeta, Mirai Trunks)
- Vegeta & Trunks vs. Cell: 25x base (Vegeta, Mirai Trunks)
- The Cell Games: 15x base (Vegeta, Mirai Trunks)
- The Last Z-Warrior: 15x base (Mirai Trunks)
why does the multiplier keep changing?
Super Saiyan 2nd Grade: 2x Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan 3rd Grade: 2x Super Saiyan 2nd Grade, 4x Super Saiyan
way too high, I think SS2 should be 2x SS, 2nd and 3rd grae should be 1.something.
Mastered Super Saiyan: 6.25x base (Goku/ Gohan)
same as last problem.
Super Saiyan 2: 12x Super Saiyan, 75x Base (Gohan)
same as last problem.
BOO ARC

Mastered Super Saiyan:
- 6.25x base (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Vegetto)
- 12.5x base (Goten, Chibi Trunks, Gotenks)
- 10x base (Goten, Chibi Trunks, Gotenks, after RoSaT training)
again, what's with the changing multipliers?
Super Saiyan 2:
- 12x Super Saiyan, 75x base (Gohan, Vegeta)
- 10x Super Saiyan, 62.5x base (Goku)
- 2x Super Saiyan, 20x base (Gotenks)
changing multipliers?
Super Saiyan 3:
- 4x Super Saiyan 2, 40x Super Saiyan, 250x base (Goku)
- 1.5x Super Saiyan 2, 3x Super Saiyan, 30x base (Gotenks)
I think this might work, because since Goku is dead he doesn't have Earthly limitations.
Fusion Dance: 75x (A suppressed + B x 75)
Potara Fusion: 500x (A + B x 500)
I think it should just be A+B, without a multiplier, but then someone told me otherwise so I'll have to look into this.
Yamcha (Kamehameha): 1350
changing kamehamha multiplier.
Goku (suppressed): 5000
Goku (full power): 8175
Goku (Kamehameha): 9450
I thik (I'm not sure) that in the original japanese manga it was actually stated that Goku was exactly 8000 instead of over 8000, but I can't remember for sure.
Vegeta (holding back): 8400
Vegeta (increased effort): 15,000
Vegeta (further increased effort): 16,800
Vegeta (full power): 18,450
stated to be exactly 18,000
Vegeta (suppressed): 16,000

Vegeta (full power): 24,000
Vegeta did get to 24,000, but I'm not sure if that was his full power.
Freeza (warming up): 3,000,000
Freeza (without hands): 3,300,000
How would he be stronger without his hands? Making no sense...
Freeza (50% of true power): 72,000,000
Freeza (70% of true power): 100,800,000
Freeza (100% of true power): 144,000,000
The percent multiplier is way screwed up. If he was at about 1% of his power when warming up, then 50% should be x50, 100% should be x100, etc.
Goku: 3,000,000
Goku (Kaiō-Ken): 6,000,000
Goku (tiring): 2,700,000
Goku (Kaiō-Ken x10): 27,000,000
Goku (weakened): 2,400,000
Goku (Kaiō-Ken x20): 48,000,000
Goku (Kaiō-Ken x20 Kamehameha): 72,000,000
If this attack is the same pl as Frieza at 50% then Frieza would've been killed man!

Goku (refreshed by transformation): 3,000,000
Do you mean SS???
SSj Goku: 150,000,000
Wasn't this the pl above???
SSj Goku (Kamehameha): 225,000,000
SSj Goku (drained post Kamehameha): 135,000,000
Goku (battle worn): 2,700,000
Goku didn't get tired, it wasn't like the Goku VS Vegeta type of a challenge to Goku. I'm not saying it was easy, but Goku definitely didn't seem to get frustrated or less powerful or other signs of getting tired.
SSj2 Vegeta (not seen): 135,000,000,000
Vegeta couldn't turn SS2 until he became Majin Vegeta.
Mr. Satan: 12
Don't undersetimate him just because he's weak compared to the Z-fighters, he still won the 24th tournament fair and square.

I wrote my opinions in bold. Other than the comments already there, I really like your list and I think its really good.

Kid_Goku · 07-02-2008

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I think it should just be A+B, without a multiplier, but then someone told me otherwise so I'll have to look into this.

An "A + B" fusion wouldn't make them very strong.

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Vegeta couldn't turn SS2 until he became Majin Vegeta.

It's heavily implied that he could, so I'm going to go with him being one before his majin boost.

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Don't undersetimate him just because he's weak compared to the Z-fighters, he still won the 24th tournament fair and square.

Who's underestimating who? The average powerlevel for a human is 5.

12/5 = 2.4x difference.

His powerlevel seems reasonable to me.

SSJBulma · 07-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Mr-Blonde_139

Kuririn: 60,000
Yamcha: 30,000

Tenshinhan: 300,000
Chaozu: 75,000

WHAT?

~~JC#1~~ · 07-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Kid_Goku

An "A + B" fusion wouldn't make them very strong.

It's heavily implied that he could, so I'm going to go with him being one before his majin boost.

Who's underestimating who? The average powerlevel for a human is 5.

12/5 = 2.4x difference.

His powerlevel seems reasonable to me.

It would depend on how strong "A" and "B" are, and Trunks and Gioten are pretty strong.

How is it heavily implied that Vegeta could go SS2?

There are people well into the 100s that enter the tournament and someone with a pl of 12 won one?

Kid_Goku · 07-02-2008

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It would depend on how strong "A" and "B" are, and Trunks and Gioten are pretty strong.

lol, so using your fusion method, SSJ Goten + SSJ Trunks = SSJ3 Goku?

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How is it heavily implied that Vegeta could go SS2?

Read the manga. Read his quotes/expressions etc.

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There are people well into the 100s that enter the tournament and someone with a pl of 12 won one?

What? The tournament that Hercule won had no-one near a powerlevel of 100.

~~JC#1~~ · 07-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Kid_Goku

lol, so using your fusion method, SSJ Goten + SSJ Trunks = SSJ3 Goku?

Read the manga. Read his quotes/expressions etc.

What? The tournament that Hercule won had no-one near a powerlevel of 100.

Yeah, why not? Can't SSTrunks or SSGoten be half as strong as SS3 Goku? It doesn't seem too crazy.

I don't have that part, I only recently started reading the manga, although I've seen every episode of the anime, and I haven't seen a single ep where Vegeta acted at all like he could go SS2.

I'm saying the tournament over all, not the exact one Hercule entered. And how the f would you know that there wasn't anyone in the 100s in that tournament???

Devilz · 07-02-2008

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Originally Posted by JC#1

Can't SSTrunks or SSGoten be half as strong as SS3 Goku?

As a matter of fact, they can't be.

~~JC#1~~ · 07-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Devilz

As a matter of fact, they can't be.

Why not??? An SS1 and 1/2 is half of an SS3, so if Goten and Trunks are each just half of the SS multiplier stronger than a normal first time SS, then they can easily be half of Goku SS3.

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