Evil Vegeta

They don't have to be equal, and they aren't in the Mighty Mask costume. Just know that they're far above 1-9,000,000 like you think.

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Pober

But what this scene with #18 and Might Mask have to it? What you will proof by this fight? In this fight they could have around 2,000,000, could have 20,000,000, and could have 200,000,000...you can't proof they power level by this scene...You can only count, they powerlevel by gravity proof...this way has only one option...another proof or scene with Piccolo shock, Might Mask fight..btw..has them many.

Evil Vegeta

If Trunks was only 2,000,000 in his base, #18 would've had to hold back 90% of her power just to not crush him. Trunks is not that weak in his base, and they actually hit Piccolo with their power that blew him back to an extent; that's not shock, it actually moved him.

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Pober

Hahah can i cry over it? And this Piccolo shock or how you have said " it's moved him", has told you Trunksu basic is powerful? but about what level? 8mln? 40mln? 50mln? 400mln? how you could see it?

Darkprince410

Pikkoro's battle power at the time is well above Ssj Gokuu's battle power when he fought Furiiza, and you cannot physically blow back someone with your ki unless you are more powerful than they are. As such, Torunkusu, and Goten as a result, are in their base forms more powerful than Ssj Gokuu when he fought Furiiza, which puts them at least around 200 million in their base.

This would still put them as weaker than Juuhachigou and every other example of power for them that the manga shows.

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Pober

only well above? OMG! Pikkoro's battle power was far above Semi-Perfect Cell...He has powered up to around level Semi-Perfect Cell after visit RoSaT. And you needed add to it 7 year's train, to begun Tournament...Freeza battle power didn't grow up to heel's Pikkoro :P Are you still will proof Torunkusu, and Goten could shocked Pikkoro's by their battle power?? He has been shock not by their battle power, because they got huge power on their's age.

I didn't expect after them battle power around Perfect Cell, in their Ssj form...sory i can't buy this 200,000,000 on their bases. 8-9 year's old and this result? maybe they will be Legendary Super Saiyan? HAhaha ;P sry for my smile's.

Darkprince410

There is no evidence to support that he continued to train enough so that his battle power actually increased during the seven years between Seru and Buu. Given what is seen though, it's far more likely that he trained just to keep from losing a large amount of power like it was with Gohan. He may have still lost power, but not on such a grand scale.

He had witnessed the boys fight one another during the Budoukai and knew that they were capable of becoming Ssj, so he had a firm grasp on the level of power they had. He was blown back by the level of power being emitted, not by the fact they were children.

Considering the fact that Gohan openly states that his little brother isn't far behind him should in itself be enough evidence to support just how powerful Goten and, as a result, Torunkusu are.

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Remixxx

Wich can also be interpreted as a fact since they are SSJ as such a young age that they can become stronger then him if he doesnt start training since they are kinda "talented"

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Darkprince410

His statement indicates that they aren't far behind where he is right at that moment, and judging by how close their sparring sessions were like, especially with the amount of effort Gohan was being forced to exert, then his statement is rather accurate.

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Remixxx

Gohan sparred pre android saga with ssj goku and he wasn even close to his PL.....And my exampel is as fine as yours is...

Gohan didnt train for 7 YEARS 7 YEARS do you know how long is that....If he doesnt train for 7 years and doesnt have a partner for 7 years to sparr with its definitlly gonna be a schock to him and to his body to sudenlly have a SSJ as a sparring partner after 7 years since he was out of shape and a RUSTY SSJ.

Im gonna use my previous example... Imagine yourself not doing any training for seven years you will obviouslly get weaker and if you try to do the same amount of weights that you did seven years before you aint gonna make it since you are out of shape and you definitlly gonna need time to get used to it again,since you are out of SHAPE.

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Evil Vegeta

When Trunks & Goten went to full-power in their bases, the power didn't hit Piccolo; once they changed into SSJ, that's when the power actually overwhelmed him. I see Trunks in his base, a bit more powerful then SSJ Future Trunks when he first arrived.

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sub_zero

She could actually have been hoding back 90% of her power since she thought at first that she s fighting a normal human.
When it comes the Pl of the base states they didnt do anthing that could put them in my eyes above 20 millions.And please dont say they fought evenly with #18 since that didnt happend.And i see that two members (and you are one of them) have agree for the 50% 50% gravity affect on PL so with that the Base states shouldnt be higher then 20 million.

Piccolo was schocked and astonished probably because they are so young and have such a high PL.

After reading all of the arguments people posted i came to a conclusion.And that is that we where given some facts and it is to us to interprend them as we want.So the only solution for the Pl of the boys in their SSJ state is that they can be weaker then #18,equal to #18 or a Bit stronger then #18.So there is no a lot weaker then her or a lot stronger then her.And i tend to choose the first option too.

Evil Vegeta

Please don't say Android #18 was holding back 90% of her power when she displayed she couldn't easily control her powers when she hit the machine. What exactly do they have to do to be considered above 20 million in base? Freeza, who's around 120,000,000 would've looked like crap against #18; we already know SSJ Vegeta got embarassed, and SSJ Trunks as well. Every SSJ at that point, including Freeza, wouldn't have a chance against #18 in a battle. So you can't really say their bases have to be weaker then 20 million with all of that right there.

You also forget the fact that they're restricted in their Mighty Mask costume, and for someone who's holding 90% of their power, don't you think it's kinda odd that she would fire a beam at them? Why would she even consider an energy attack against a human?

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uki1234

She didn't even fire a ki blast at SSJ Vegeta who was pretty close to her...

Remixxx

So what....Vegeta fired a blast at Pui Pui and going by your Pl he s not more then 30 thousand and you have vegeta in the 100 millions in base .....and he was not close to her

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