18 fighting Might Mask - Page 7

**Darkprince410** · 06-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Pober

You have right. Firstly #18 had used power only to able fight equal with Might Mask...now what if #18 will use full power..Look what happen with Tenshinhan after 1 punch by android #17...so what will happen with normal human? if #18 use more than few % of full power..Tenshinhan >>>>> Normal Human...if human's got around 100 ki, Tien got much more than 1,000,000...and where is full power #18, what is bit more than Vegeta Ssj from A.S...She can't use high power...she have only used power adequate to level Might Mask...only when they has turn in to Super Saiyan and if Trunksu Ssj was around Vegeta Ssj from A.S...then his blast could be dangerous...becasue Vegeta has no time on loaded his Big Bang Attack, but Trunks has not used full power missle...so it could be, Vegeta fastly Big Bang Attack = Trunks Blast...but one is evident, she has used lou level of her power...

She was holding back yes, but there's no reason to believe that she was still holding back a tremendous portion of her battle power once she realized that her opponent was more than a normal human. According to her, "Mighty Mask's" attacks were extremely fast and surprisingly quite powerful despite how small his arms were. Besides, the moment that "he" started flying, she would have realized he was more than a regular human and would have increased the power of her attacks as a result. Even then, the only reason the boys showed some sign of a disadvantage in fighting her was due to the costume, not their own strength.

Once she realized who they were, especially after they went Ssj, she would have returned to full power, but even in that fully powered up state, she narrowly dodged a weakened ki attack from Torunkusu, and expressed considerable fear as a result of it. While the boys say that she'd survive "cause she's Juuhachigou", they're only working on assumption considering she doesn't have a battle power they could sense and can only imagine from stories being told as to how strong she is. She on the other hand has knowledge of Super Saiya-jins and would know about the boys battle power in their Ssj forms after having seen them fighting one another earlier on. So it's clear that the reason she evaded and freaked out about that blast was because it was considerably stronger than she was, in turn making the boys in their Ssj forms higher than she.

Remixxx · 06-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

After she realized who they were, Torunkusu fired a restrained ki blast (Goten tells him to not use a lot of power, and he responds that he knows) that shocked Juuhachigou totally and she dodged it rather than taking it full on, before commenting that she can't believe they have such power. The ki blast was not in any danger of hitting the audience, since we see that it fell and exploded in the ocean surrounding the arena, as well as the fact that Torunkusu demonstrated earlier that he has expert ki control. Why then would she panic and evade it rather than deflect it unless it would have been too powerful for her to deflect. Her comment after she avoided it suggests quite clearly that was the case.

As for the gravity scenario, I've proven several times that battle power doesn't have a factor in the gravity level one can withstand, otherwise Bejiita wouldn't have felt a thing when he was training under 300g, since his battle power was over thirty times that of Gokuu's when he completed his 100g training (and thus should be able to withstand over 3,000g logically). However, we see that he was struggling with 300g because he had never experienced that level of gravity before and had yet to grow accustomed to it. This is also why Gokuu had such a hard time dealing with the 10g of Kaiou-sama's planet, despite the fact that he had already spent over a month in 10g as a child when he trained in the Room of Spirit and Time, because his body had grown unaccustomed to the gravity level again during his years between the two experiences.

The reason why Torunkusu was able to move around effortlessly while in ihs Ssj form is not due to his battle power, but due to the fact that the Ssj form has clearly been shown to significantly increase the body's resistance to outside forces (intense temperatures, physical damage, and pressure as a result of gravity).

First you should know that Trunks never listens to Goten showed during the fight at the tournament....Then #18 manages to dodge the blast from a preety short distance so by dodging an attack the boys definitlly cant be like 10 times more stronger then her if stronger at all.Then she had a SHOCK on her face and SAID "are those twits really that strong" implyig my theory that she didnt expect them to be as strong as they are since they are litle kids but in no way does it imply that they are stronger then her. Then she SAYS i better end this quick wich can also be interpreted that she was scared for the crowd where her daughter was since the blast they fired obviouslly did a serious damage to the city.Then she also wouldnt be abel t fighjt with her full potential since the crowd is there.And #18 was a good parent (perhaps even better than Kuririn). Can we assure that someone capable of blasting a whole planet (once again, a 9 year old kid) will control his attacks absolutely in the heat of the moment? .Then again she never mentioned the blast to be threatnig her own safety.

Then #18 SAID " im gonna win this ...Trunks and Goten"and before she even throw the kienzan on them the boys started PANICKING AND SAID
"She.. she knows" - said with fear that is not a proof of their higher strenght.
So who would fall in panic like that before exposing himself? To a point that they can't dodge a KIENZAN....Not forgetting that the boys said ("Lets start using energy attacks ...it wont kill her she n.18 this is no repect this is their awerness of her power level since they knew thats he was stronger then their fathers once so they have a clue about her Power level...How do you explain the fact that the gravity problems for Trunks dissaper when he turned SSJ its obviouslly has something to do with PL.

In my opinoon she is strong then them too in their SSJ form

Pober · 06-26-2008

She has commented it "Where he learn it.." only it...Pikkoro has flown at 300 ki+...Kuririn on much less level...she didn't must power up or use more power, because her enemy could fly...

Ok might be #18 has used huge ki or all ki after they turn in to Ssj...but it's has only proven that, Trunksu Ssj was equal or on #18 level...and if he has told "even if i use powerful attack, she won't die", he has thought or he known, he was less her p level...i don't know how many...it's not my allotment...it's only mean Trunksu Ssj < #18...

Evil Vegeta · 06-26-2008

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First you should know that Trunks never listens to Goten showed during the fight at the tournament....Then #18 manages to dodge the blast from a preety short distance so by dodging an attack the boys definitlly cant be like 10 times more stronger then her if stronger at all.Then she had a SHOCK on her face and SAID "are those twits really that strong" implyig my theory that she didnt expect them to be as strong as they are since they are litle kids but in no way does it imply that they are stronger then her. Then she SAYS i better end this quick wich can also be interpreted that she was scared for the crowd where her daughter was since the blast they fired obviouslly did a serious damage to the city.Then she also wouldnt be abel t fighjt with her full potential since the crowd is there.And #18 was a good parent (perhaps even better than Kuririn). Can we assure that someone capable of blasting a whole planet (once again, a 9 year old kid) will control his attacks absolutely in the heat of the moment? .Then again she never mentioned the blast to be threatnig her own safety.

First of all, what shock? She just saw both of them fight, and saw both of them use energy attacks. So, again; that entire surprise thing doesn't matter, because she saw how powerful they were in their SSJ forms earlier. Trunks agreed with Goten when he told him to not use full-power, so there is no reason to go against it. Another thing: Trunks didn't damage any city, because his blast went into the ocean.

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Then #18 SAID " im gonna win this ...Trunks and Goten"and before she even throw the kienzan on them the boys started PANICKING AND SAID
"She.. she knows" - said with fear that is not a proof of their higher strenght.
So who would fall in panic like that before exposing himself? To a point that they can't dodge a KIENZAN....Not forgetting that the boys said ("Lets start using energy attacks ...it wont kill her she n.18 this is no repect this is their awerness of her power level since they knew thats he was stronger then their fathers once so they have a clue about her Power level...How do you explain the fact that the gravity problems for Trunks dissaper when he turned SSJ its obviouslly has something to do with PL.

They only panicked because their disguise was blown, and they were probably going to be disqualified. Who is really dumb enough to not dodge a kienzan? That doesn't mean anything about their power at all. Goku lifting 40 tons also seemed to disappear when he turned SSJ, and he could left a car, which is about a ton, when he was a kid. The point is, #18 didn't want to get into a battle with SSJ Trunks, and ended it instead.

Remixxx · 06-26-2008

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First of all, what shock? She just saw both of them fight, and saw both of them use energy attacks. So, again; that entire surprise thing doesn't matter, because she saw how powerful they were in their SSJ forms earlier. Trunks agreed with Goten when he told him to not use full-power, so there is no reason to go against it. Another thing: Trunks didn't damage any city, because his blast went into the ocean.

Like you know she cant sense Power levels land ike you said she can sense the intensity and she didnt have any fightw with them before so it totally doeas matter and is a totztally good proof...Trunks also agreed with Goten not to turn SSJ in the tournament and he breaked the rule....

They only panicked because their disguise was blown, and they were probably going to be disqualified. Who is really dumb enough to not dodge Yes because she wouldnt be abel to fight with her full potential in a tournament ring and the fight would get messy.....Can we also assure that someone capable of blasting a whole planet (once again, a 9 year old kid) will control his attacks absolutely in the heat of the moment? .Then again she never mentioned the blast to be threatnig her own safety.
a kienzan? That doesn't mean anything about their power at all. Goku lifting 40 tons also seemed to disappear when he turned SSJ, and he could left a car, which is about a ton, when he was a kid. The point is, #18 didn't want to get into a battle with SSJ Trunks, and ended it instead.

And how the hell would they get disqualified if not by the power level of the other fighter they wont get disqualified by themselfs THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD DISQUALIFIED THEM THERE WAS HER ....If they where stronger then her they wouldnt start panicking and get so freaked out since she wouldnt be abel to blow their costume away......You cant prove that they knew whats a KIENZAN....Its still has some effect if it didnt SSJ Trunks would still struggel with the gravity.....THE POINT IS that 18 just didnt want to fight them because a fight between them would get messy .Can we assure that someone capable of blasting a whole planet (once again, a 9 year old kid) will control his attacks absolutely in the heat of the moment? .Then again she never mentioned the blast to be threatnig her own safety.

T-1000 · 06-26-2008

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Originally Posted by stefzed54

Do you think she was fighting at full power? Going all out, or not?

I think the androids can't suppress or hold power. So, She was using full power.

Evil Vegeta · 06-26-2008

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Originally Posted by remixremix

Like you know she cant sense Power levels land ike you said she can sense the intensity and she didnt have any fightw with them before so it totally doeas matter and is a totztally good proof...Trunks also agreed with Goten not to turn SSJ in the tournament and he breaked the rule....

So #18 can sense power, but Trunks & Goten can't sense her power? Yeah, she did sense the intensity of the blast, because it went right by her. The same way Freeza (who can't sense power levels) sensed the intensity of Goku's Kame beam, or Gohan's Masenko. If she saw them beforehand, there should be no surprise, because she know's they are SSJ, and that they are kids. By the way, Goten broke the SSJ rule when Trunks had him in the lock, not the other way around.

And how the hell would they get disqualified if not by the power level of the other fighter they wont disqualified themself....If they where stronger then her they wouldnt start panicking since she wouldnt be abel to blow their costume away......You cant prove thatt hey knew whats a KIENZAN....Its still has ome effect if it didnt SSJ Trunks would still struggel with the gravity.....THE POINT IS that 18 just didnt want to fight them because a fight between them would get messy Can we assure that someone capable of blasting a whole planet (once again, a 9 year old kid) will control his attacks absolutely in the heat of the moment? .Then again she never mentioned the blast to be threatnig her own safety.[/quote]

They saw her form a disk like attack in her hand. Come on now, they are kids, but they aren't dumb. Trunks knows what a standard fireball is, which is why he told Goten to jump when she fired it down at them. If the two are going in opposite directions, that means, they simply don't want to get diced in two. If it was a regular chi blast, it would've blew them away, so it would've been no point of going in opposite directions, now would it? The blast hit the ocean, so there would be no point of worrying about the whole planet. Even if #18 is worried about the damage the two can bring, that in itself, means they are pretty damn strong.

Anyone can blow off a costume by the way. Vegeta blew off Recoome's armor, and he was far weaker.

Remixxx · 06-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

So #18 can sense power, but Trunks & Goten can't sense her power? Yeah, she did sense the intensity of the blast, because it went right by her. The same way Freeza (who can't sense power levels) sensed the intensity of Goku's Kame beam, or Gohan's Masenko. If she saw them beforehand, there should be no surprise, because she know's they are SSJ, and that they are kids. By the way, Goten broke the SSJ rule when Trunks had him in the lock, not the other way around.

They saw her form a disk like attack in her hand. Come on now, they are kids, but they aren't dumb. Trunks knows what a standard fireball is, which is why he told Goten to jump when she fired it down at them. If the two are going in opposite directions, that means, they simply don't want to get diced in two. If it was a regular chi blast, it would've blew them away, so it would've been no point of going in opposite directions, now would it? The blast hit the ocean, so there would be no point of worrying about the whole planet. Even if #18 is worried about the damage the two can bring, that in itself, means they are pretty damn strong.

Anyone can blow off a costume by the way. Vegeta blew off Recoome's armor, and he was far weaker.[/quote]

1)18 cant sense power and Trunks and Goten cant sense her power either but they knew what her power rang could be since they said that "she was stronger then their fathers once" and she did saw them In their SSJ form but she cant know how strong they are..so thats why it can means that she was suprised that they are so strong for kids she even said"how can these litlel shrimps be so strong" ...YOU gotta admitt its a common thing in the SHONEN MANGA LAND when someone goes beyond someone expectetion they would be shocked..and yes he did break the rule but he did it too later on so there is no way we can know for sure...

2)They are not very smart either atleast not Goten and there is no way that they coudl know what a kienzan is.Well yes it can as easily means that she was worried for the crowd and what could happen during a real fight....And of course that they are strong ALL FORM OF SSJ ARE STRONG

A question do you agree that gravity has an effect going by my exampel how the problems when Trunks turned SSJ where gone if we are always going by not getting used to it ..so he would struggel in the gravity in his SSJ form too

Evil Vegeta · 06-26-2008

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1)18 cant sense power and Trunks and Goten cant sense her power either but they knew what her power rang could be since they said that "she was stronger then their fathers once" and she did saw them In their SSJ form but she cant know how strong they are..so thats why it can means that she was suprised that they are so strong for kids she even said"how can these litlel shrimps be so strong" ...YOU gotta admitt its a common thing in the SHONEN MANGA LAND when someone goes beyond someone expectetion they would be shocked..and yes he did break the rule but he did it too later on so there is no way we can know for sure...

Yes, she was surprised, but that could go either way. I'm not going to say her surprised (even though I think it does) reaction automatically means they are more powerful then her, but I'm not going to say it doesn't matter, either. Trunks only broke the rule because Goten did; he actually thought he was going to win the battle in his base form. So Trunks didn't really break any rules, since Goten did it.

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2)They are not very smart either atleast not Goten and there is no way thatt hey coudl know what a kienzan is.Well yes it can as easily means that she was worried for the crowd and what could happen during a real fight....And of course that they are strong ALL FORM OF SSJ ARE STRONG

Even if they don't know exactly what it is, there would be no reason for them to try and take an attack that looks like a sharp disk type of attack. It's the same reason why Goku dodged Jeice's blast when he fighting Ginyu; it was a standard fireball, but why bother to not dodge it? She also used a kienzan, which could've sliced two kids in two if they didn't go in opposite directions; what makes you think she really cares about the stadium? #18 was there for one reason, that was to win the prize money, not complicate it by fighting two SSJ kids.

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A question do you agree that gravity has an effect going by my exampel how the problems when Trunks turned SSJ where gone if we are always going by not getting used to it ..so he would struggel in the gravity in his SSJ form too

I think it has effect, but not 100% like many other people think. There is no reason why Goku can lift a car when he's a kid, which is about a ton, but has trouble lifting 40 tons when he's a more powerful adult. He had to turn SSJ just to do that, and Trunks, who's a kid, had to do that to get a better feel for the gravity.

Remixxx · 06-26-2008

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Yes, she was surprised, but that could go either way. I'm not going to say her surprised (even though I think it does) reaction automatically means they are more powerful then her, but I'm not going to say it doesn't matter, either. Trunks only broke the rule because Goten did; he actually thought he was going to win the battle in his base form. So Trunks didn't really break any rules, since Goten did it.

Even if they don't know exactly what it is, there would be no reason for them to try and take an attack that looks like a sharp disk type of attack. It's the same reason why Goku dodged Jeice's blast when he fighting Ginyu; it was a standard fireball, but why bother to not dodge it? She also used a kienzan, which could've sliced two kids in two if they didn't go in opposite directions; what makes you think she really cares about the stadium? #18 was there for one reason, that was to win the prize money, not complicate it by fighting two SSJ kids.

I think it has effect, but not 100% like many other people think. There is no reason why Goku can lift a car when he's a kid, which is about a ton, but has trouble lifting 40 tons when he's a more powerful adult. He had to turn SSJ just to do that, and Trunks, who's a kid, had to do that to get a better feel for the gravity.

You are definitlly one of the fews memebers on this board that i respect ,peopel can really have a great debate with you without starting a fight or something else so Your a great member

1- I understand you perfectlly you have choosen to go with the first option and i did with the second one.....Well thats why they cant be trusted that much

2_Good point the only things that makes me think she cared for the stadium is because her daughter was there and she was showed to be a loving mother... she looked like she cared more about the child then Krillin...The girls is the only thing she got in the world besides Krillin....she cared for the money but i doubt that she would risk the life of her daughter for the money

3_I agree on the gravity i belive it s fair to say it has 50% percent an effect on pl and 50% that it does not

Evil Vegeta · 06-26-2008

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You are definitlly one of the fews memebers on this board that i respect ,peopel can really have a great debate with you without starting a fight or something else so Your a great member

Haha, thanks! When we debated this months ago, it was totally different.

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1- I understand you perfectlly you have choosen to go with the first option and i did with the second one.....Well thats why they cant be trusted that much

Yeah, it could go either way. Since we never see a battle, all we can do is look at certain things, and think of who would win.

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2_Good point the only things that makes me think she cared for the stadium is because her daughter was there and she was showed to be a loving mother... she looked like she cared more about the child then Krillin...The girls is the only thing she got in the world besides Krillin....she cared for the money but i doubt that she would risk the life of her daughter for the money

I think #18 did care about her family, similiar to how Vegeta cared about his. I just don't think either cared as much about the planet as they did about their family. Even though the stadium would get destroyed, #18 always wants a good battle, and her attitude shows this throughout. She would never want to turn down a good fight without even tryin. That's why I think she wasn't all that confident in her chances, and would just rather fight Hercule instead.

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3_I agree on the gravity i belive it s fair to say it has 50% percent an effect on pl and 50% that it does not

Yeah, it definitely has some effect, I agree.

Remixxx · 06-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

Haha, thanks! When we debated this months ago, it was totally different.

Heh yes it was a tottaly diferent story

...Well i was new back then and didnt know some things and i was stumborn but you proved me wrong on some things and i v learned to respect other people opinion thats atleast sounded logical

Pober · 06-27-2008

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Originally Posted by T-1000

I think the androids can't suppress or hold power. So, She was using full power.

So, how she has punched 700+ on this fucking machine?

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Pober (16) Master of Kaio-ken Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 507 Rep Power: 3	Re: 18 fighting Might Mask She has commented it "Where he learn it.." only it...Pikkoro has flown at 300 ki+...Kuririn on much less level...she didn't must power up or use more power, because her enemy could fly... Ok might be #18 has used huge ki or all ki after they turn in to Ssj...but it's has only proven that, Trunksu Ssj was equal or on #18 level...and if he has told "even if i use powerful attack, she won't die", he has thought or he known, he was less her p level...i don't know how many...it's not my allotment...it's only mean Trunksu Ssj < #18...