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Old 06-26-2008   #76 (permalink)
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Do you think she was fighting at full power? Going all out, or not?

Once 18 fought Mighty Mask she knew he was strong. The boys were at a disadvantage because of their positions. They had to act as one body even though Trunks was sitting on Goten's shoulders, and they couldn't move well at all. The boys knew that 18 was pretty strong herself, so they were coming at her with a seriousness. I'd say she was fighting pretty serious as well, since she admitted Mighty Mask was pretty strong and was giving her a run for her money.
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Dude, Android 18 after punching the machine says it's HARD to control:

Krillin: "Hey, don't hit too hard or you'll break the Machine!"
#18: I know.
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Announcer: ...774...Points?! W-We must have a malfunction! Stand by!
Krillin: "I told you to be careful!"
Android 18: "Oh, stuff it. It's hard to control."

As you can see 18 complains that it's hard to control. Vegeta wasn't holding back much if at all against PuiPui if your not smiling AT THE MOMENT THAT YOU ATTACK. You're not holding back much if at all. Vegeta can easily Suppress his Power 18 apparently can't. As I said in my earlier Post Vegeta could see Zarbon perfectly and from his angle it looked like Zarbon was standing still. Therefore, if the boys are under 100% Freiza, to 18 they should look like they're standing still. 18 knew SSJ Vegeta was no match because, she could follow his movements perfectly. She could have used the same force she used on Vegeta or a little bit lighter to be safe. If going light didn't work then why didn't she just do to Mighty Mask what she did to Vegeta, she didn't kill Vegeta. 18 wasn't smiling when she was fighting the Kids. Even if she was holding back (Which I doubt she was), it wasn't by much.
Yes and after the second time she hit it the SCORE was i belive 204 as same as Gokus, Krillins and almost the same as Mr.satan......She can hold as much as she want proven by anyothere scene hitting the another guy on the tournament and not kiling him...

WTF is that for an exampel its hideous,SSJ Goku fought against Base Gohan pre android saga or do you belive that Goku was using his full power since Gohan was abel to sparr with him so he needs to look like he was standing still AND she thought it was normal human so she was holding back.....My proof was good Vegeta was playing with Pui Pui just like 18 did with the kids since she didnt knew that they where saiyans then going by you since she was not smilling then she was obviosully taking the other guy on the tournament she K.O seriosullyy....You are just ignoring the fact that she was told by Krillin not to kill aynone and the fact AGAIN that she thought it was a NORMAL HUMAN so she wont kill him since KRILLIN TOLD HER NOT TO....SO she would use as small amount as possibel just like what ...And even with that amount they couldnt do a shit,they couldnt start attacking and started runing from her into the air.DID 18 looked worried or like she was trying at all....no she wasnt...There is not a singel thing that points out of her using any force at all......SHE WAS HOLDING BACK A LOT
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She can hold back, yes, but she openly admits that it's difficult for her to hold back, which is why her first blow on the hit readout device came back at over 700. Besides, the fact that she probably held back doesn't mean much of anything considering that they boys held back too, as it was quite clear that they weren't able to go all out on her due to being encumbered by the Mighty Mask costume. They had considerable difficulty in moving, let alone co-ordinating attacks, so what makes you think that they'd be able to go all out on her anyway?

When they turned Super Saiya-jin though, it's certain that they had battle powers well above hers, as not only were they confident that transforming would be enough to beat her, but their held back ki blast scared her significantly, to the point that she knew that she'd have to reveal their identities in order to stop the fight.
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The second score was 204 the same as Gokus and Krillins and almost the same as Mr.satans and by the fact that the hit she gave to the another human that she didnt kill was a proof enough....And they where full power they wouldnt turn SSJ if they had anything left....And no they are not IMO...the blast means that she was suprised that kids can be so strong not stronger then her and the fact ha it could be maybe dangerous fro the crowd since her daughter was part of it and a fight betwen two ssj and an adroid would get fierce.After she revelead who they are they where so scared and started panicking to such a point that they couldnt dodge the kienzan wich an suposedlly stronger fighter wouldnt react like that.POint over
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When #18 fired that kienzan at Mighty Mask, Trunks tried to go up, Goten tried to go down, so it wouldn't be easy to dodge an attack when two guys in the same costume are going in opposite directions.

By the way, #18 just saw the kids fight each other as SSJ, so all of that surprised because they were kids means nothin. Her dialogue about them was in reference to their power, not the stadium, since she's the first one to use an energy attack on this weak human, right? She was even relieved that they were disqualified, and they were never scared of her at all.
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Do you think she was fighting at full power? Going all out, or not?
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Yes she was going full power, and Trunks and Goten in base were stronger than her.
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When #18 fired that kienzan at Mighty Mask, Trunks tried to go up, Goten tried to go down, so it wouldn't be easy to dodge an attack when two guys in the same costume are going in opposite directions.

By the way, #18 just saw the kids fight each other as SSJ, so all of that surprised because they were kids means nothin. Her dialogue about them was in reference to their power, not the stadium, since she's the first one to use an energy attack on this weak human, right? She was even relieved that they were disqualified, and they were never scared of her at all.
Before that....when she said that she knew who they are they started panicking and looked scared to Death ..THATS BEFORE SHE EVEN THREW THE KIENZAN.....SO they where practiclly freaked out to the point that they couldnt dodge the disk and they already knew how strong she could be .Yes she said could those shrimps be this strong i dont see anything that points that they are stronger then her just tha she is shocked how kids can be so strong.
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They were freaked because she found out their identities, and when she throws it, they start trying to go in opposite directions, only to get nowhere due to the costume. Nothing about that scenario makes it seem that they were scared of her due to her strength, rather it seemed they were scared that she'll reveal their "secret" and get them in trouble. She was the one freaked by their power, not the other way around.
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Do you think she was fighting at full power? Going all out, or not?
To give you a simple answer:She was holding back greatly

There are two things you need to take into consideration
1)She was thinking she was fighting a normal human
2)Kuririn told her before not to Kill or hurt anyone who are participating on the tournament
3)It was proven on many occassions that Cybor 18 can hit as hard as she wants it to.

This 3 things are ceartanly enough to prove to you that she was holding back greatly.So far i havent see any valid point or a proof that could turn or change the way i think only Saiyan Fanboyish stuff.One thing im sure one is that they are weaker then 100% Furiza in base.

Edit:Trunks didnt show off to have a great Pl in base in the gravity room.Before anyone says it doenst have to do a thing Well it does .After he turned Super Saiyajin the problems went away.If he wasnt used to it no matter was he in base or in Super Saiyajin state he would still struggel.
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Yes she was going full power, and Trunks and Goten in base were stronger than her.
You are mentaly disfunctional right.If your not then you sounds like you are
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To give you a simple answer:She was holding back greatly

There are two things you need to take into consideration
1)She was thinking she was fighting a normal human
2)Kuririn told her before not to Kill or hurt anyone who are participating on the tournament
3)It was proven on many occassions that Cybor 18 can hit as hard as she wants it to.

This 3 things are ceartanly enough to prove to you that she was holding back greatly.So far i havent see any valid point or a proof that could turn or change the way i think only Saiyan Fanboyish stuff.One thing im sure one is that they are weaker then 100% Furiza in base.

Edit:Trunks didnt show off to have a great Pl in base in the gravity room.Before anyone says it doenst have to do a thing Well it does .After he turned Super Saiyajin the problems went away.If he wasnt used to it no matter was he in base or in Super Saiyajin state he would still struggel.


You are mentaly disfunctional right.If your not then you sounds like you are
After she realized who they were, Torunkusu fired a restrained ki blast (Goten tells him to not use a lot of power, and he responds that he knows) that shocked Juuhachigou totally and she dodged it rather than taking it full on, before commenting that she can't believe they have such power. The ki blast was not in any danger of hitting the audience, since we see that it fell and exploded in the ocean surrounding the arena, as well as the fact that Torunkusu demonstrated earlier that he has expert ki control. Why then would she panic and evade it rather than deflect it unless it would have been too powerful for her to deflect. Her comment after she avoided it suggests quite clearly that was the case.

As for the gravity scenario, I've proven several times that battle power doesn't have a factor in the gravity level one can withstand, otherwise Bejiita wouldn't have felt a thing when he was training under 300g, since his battle power was over thirty times that of Gokuu's when he completed his 100g training (and thus should be able to withstand over 3,000g logically). However, we see that he was struggling with 300g because he had never experienced that level of gravity before and had yet to grow accustomed to it. This is also why Gokuu had such a hard time dealing with the 10g of Kaiou-sama's planet, despite the fact that he had already spent over a month in 10g as a child when he trained in the Room of Spirit and Time, because his body had grown unaccustomed to the gravity level again during his years between the two experiences.

The reason why Torunkusu was able to move around effortlessly while in ihs Ssj form is not due to his battle power, but due to the fact that the Ssj form has clearly been shown to significantly increase the body's resistance to outside forces (intense temperatures, physical damage, and pressure as a result of gravity).
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Anyone who thinks she was holding back seriously need to take a closer look at her earlier battles. She beat SSJ Vegeta, who wasn't even much weaker than her, and she called him a weakling(like all humans, krillin...), so we can obviously conclude that everyone who's not close to her power is a weakling according to her, so that makes mighty mask around or slightly stronger than her, because in her battle against Mighty Mask, she praised them, and specifically said that they hit hard, and are strong, and thats the kind of praise that SSJ Vegeta wasn't even close to get.

Mighty Mask ~ #18, therefore :

base Trunks/Goten > #18.

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#18>>>>Goten and Trunks

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#18>>>>Goten and Trunks

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You have right. Firstly #18 had used power only to able fight equal with Might Mask...now what if #18 will use full power..Look what happen with Tenshinhan after 1 punch by android #17...so what will happen with normal human? if #18 use more than few % of full power..Tenshinhan >>>>> Normal Human...if human's got around 100 ki, Tien got much more than 1,000,000...and where is full power #18, what is bit more than Vegeta Ssj from A.S...She can't use high power...she have only used power adequate to level Might Mask...only when they has turn in to Super Saiyan and if Trunksu Ssj was around Vegeta Ssj from A.S...then his blast could be dangerous...becasue Vegeta has no time on loaded his Big Bang Attack, but Trunks has not used full power missle...so it could be, Vegeta fastly Big Bang Attack = Trunks Blast...but one is evident, she has used lou level of her power...
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#18>>>>Goten and Trunks

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You are right, base Goten and Trunks are weaker than Android 18, at their SSJ state it's another story though.
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