18 fighting Might Mask - Page 5

Pober · 06-24-2008

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito

I'm saying that Vegeta would have to have a PL of under 270,000 in order to struggle with 300x gravity if Akira was truely consistent with Physics in Dragon Ball.

But why? if Vegeta struggle with 300g at 270,000...then it have no sense...Akira will use basis physics...and if he will give Vegeta 2,000,000+ and he has used 300g...that mean he is using basis physics...there have no pleace high physics...it's basis...countenance, % , and few formula...

Darkprince410 · 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by Pober

But why? if Vegeta struggle with 300g at 270,000...then it have no sense...Akira will use basis physics...and if he will give Vegeta 2,000,000+ and he has used 300g...that mean he is using basis physics...there have no pleace high physics...it's basis...countenance, % , and few formula...

Pober, he didn't use basic physics as I clearly pointed out to you earlier. He made up things to go with how he wanted them to be, regardless of whether or not it was scientifically accurate.

He has humans flying around under their own power, which according to physics is impossible.

He has characters expelling streams of energy from body parts with explosive force, again, physically impossible.

He has vehicles and later actual characters moving at and beyond the velocity of light, which according to Einstein's Theory of Relativity is again, impossible.

He has talking dogs, pigs, and other animals, as well as animals that can change form at will.

He has people going around without noses, with three eyes, and able to sprout extra arms on a whim.

He has large shelters, vehicles, and other assorted objects be able to be stored in capsules small and light enough to be held in a person's hand.

He doesn't follow what is physically accurate or possible, he just makes things up to fit how he wants the story to be, regardless if it's what would really happen or not.

Super_17 · 06-25-2008

I don't think 18 was giving her all if she sensed goten and trunks power from the beginning she may of thought her full power would hurt them

Darkprince410 · 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by Super_17

I don't think 18 was giving her all if she sensed goten and trunks power from the beginning she may of thought her full power would hurt them

She can't sense battle powers though. Like her brother, she wasn't built with a power detecting system, so she wouldn't be able to tell what kind of battle power they had at all. If she could, she wouldn't have been surprised by how strong they were and constantly kept being surprised by their attacks.

Super_17 · 06-25-2008

well heres the thing wasnt she human after the cell games? I mean I didnt think andriods could give birth to kids. I mean 18 did gave birth to Marron.

Darkprince410 · 06-25-2008

She was still a Jinzou-ningen after the Seru Saga, as the wish that Kuririn made only involved removing the bombs in their (Juuhachigou and Juunanagou's) bodies, because a wish to make them human was above Shenron's power. She was still partially human (Gero basically turned her and her brother into cyborgs rather than true artificial constructs like Juukyuugou and Juurokugou) and still had her sexual organs intact and fully functional. However, she lacked the ability to sense ki in the Seru Saga and didn't seem to have any capability of doing so in the Buu Saga either.

burningvegeta · 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

She was still a Jinzou-ningen after the Seru Saga, as the wish that Kuririn made only involved removing the bombs in their (Juuhachigou and Juunanagou's) bodies, because a wish to make them human was above Shenron's power. She was still partially human (Gero basically turned her and her brother into cyborgs rather than true artificial constructs like Juukyuugou and Juurokugou) and still had her sexual organs intact and fully functional. However, she lacked the ability to sense ki in the Seru Saga and didn't seem to have any capability of doing so in the Buu Saga either.

Yeah to back up Darkprince410 she lacked the sensing ability as they relied (Android 17 and 18) on Android 16 to tell them the battle powers of Piccolo, Tien, Vegeta and other fighters that first encountered the second set of androids on the road side.

As well as the time Android 17 fought Piccolo. 17 wasn’t aware that his battle power was equal with Piccolo (synced with Kami), when Android 16 informed him of such information he didn’t believe it. If he could sense, he would have been able to see it himself. 17 and 18 also didn't fear Cell because they couldn't sense he power level; thats why they never ran from him. Even if arrogance is apart of why they never ran from him; that could be a factor to.

Pober · 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

Pober, he didn't use basic physics as I clearly pointed out to you earlier. He made up things to go with how he wanted them to be, regardless of whether or not it was scientifically accurate.

He has humans flying around under their own power, which according to physics is impossible.

He has characters expelling streams of energy from body parts with explosive force, again, physically impossible.

He has vehicles and later actual characters moving at and beyond the velocity of light, which according to Einstein's Theory of Relativity is again, impossible.

He has talking dogs, pigs, and other animals, as well as animals that can change form at will.

He has people going around without noses, with three eyes, and able to sprout extra arms on a whim.

He has large shelters, vehicles, and other assorted objects be able to be stored in capsules small and light enough to be held in a person's hand.

He doesn't follow what is physically accurate or possible, he just makes things up to fit how he wants the story to be, regardless if it's what would really happen or not.

I have known it...but now you had exampled genetics aready, i spoken about physics :P

Why? because there have pleace race... All races differ geneticist...but physics in small %, have pleace too...i have spoken only about g training. I have unused physics otherwise...did i?

gkrt · 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

She was still a Jinzou-ningen after the Seru Saga, as the wish that Kuririn made only involved removing the bombs in their (Juuhachigou and Juunanagou's) bodies, because a wish to make them human was above Shenron's power. She was still partially human (Gero basically turned her and her brother into cyborgs rather than true artificial constructs like Juukyuugou and Juurokugou) and still had her sexual organs intact and fully functional. However, she lacked the ability to sense ki in the Seru Saga and didn't seem to have any capability of doing so in the Buu Saga either.

Makes you wonder why done it?

Darkprince410 · 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by Pober

I have known it...but now you had exampled genetics aready, i spoken about physics :P

Why? because there have pleace race... All races differ geneticist...but physics in small %, have pleace too...i have spoken only about g training. I have unused physics otherwise...did i?

I am showing you evidence though supporting that Toriyama makes things up for the sake of the story that is clearly in contradiction of known scientific facts, because he never did any real research into the subjects and went with what he wanted.

That's why you can't take that gravity situation for face value...besides, I've already proven that power level doesn't have a direct bearing on the level of gravity one can withstand.

Pober · 06-25-2008

Hmm so if in Gravity Chamber was not 150g, only 300g...then Trunksu still had run problem?...So why Goku didn't use 100g at first time? he wasn't accustomed? or he has no strength to able his body weight?

SSJ4 Vegito · 06-25-2008

Here's something to think about Volume 6 of the DBZ Manga (Vol. 22 of the entire DB Manga) when Vegeta is fighting Zarbon:
Vegeta (While doding Zarbon's attacks): "HA! Could this really be the great Zarbon?! You look like your standing still!"

So as it is shown that in Vegeta's eyes Zarbon looks like he is standing still. Meaning that it should be the same for Android 18 with the kids if the Kids are so weak. Now why the hell would she not put in the amount of effort needed in order to just knock them out of bounds (She was fighting them for a few panels).
Android 18 cannot suppress her strength even if she could why would she? If she is capable of beating the fighter easily she wasted no time knocking Jewel out of bounds. So why would this Mighty Mask guy who assumingly has a PL of under 90,000 be any different. When she punches the machine and scores 774 she says it's hard to control, she can't suppress her power like the other Z Fighters can.

remixremix · 06-25-2008

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Originally Posted by sub_zero

She definitly was holding back a tremendous amount of her power.There are two things i noticed while reading some of the posts here and those are that members here are ignoring facts.

First off there was not a single moment where the fight was equal the fight was totally one sided with 18 being the one who gaved the one side.So what if Trunks was abel to block some punches then Base Gohan pre Android saga is as strong as Super Saiyajin Goku since he was abel to fight evenly with him.It just proves that they where using a fraction of their true power.

Secondly #18 is a powerfull cyborg who can destroy a planet with a blink of an eye so do you belive that she would go full power against a normal,ordinary human.Then i also might add that Krillin told her not to hurt anyone or kill.Then how much could a costume do to a fighter that can destroy a planet or who is faster then the speed of light!!!...Wich brings us to the point that the boys where going all out just look at the face they where making and then there is the point that they turned SSJ since they wouldnt be abel to win in other way wich approves all my arguments of them using full force.
So in cocnclusion i can bet in my own life that she was just only using a fraction of her true force going by what was displayed during the short fight.

I need to rep you two for this post

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito

Here's something to think about Volume 6 of the DBZ Manga (Vol. 22 of the entire DB Manga) when Vegeta is fighting Zarbon:
Vegeta (While doding Zarbon's attacks): "HA! Could this really be the great Zarbon?! You look like your standing still!"

So as it is shown that in Vegeta's eyes Zarbon looks like he is standing still. Meaning that it should be the same for Android 18 with the kids if the Kids are so weak. Now why the hell would she not put in the amount of effort needed in order to just knock them out of bounds (She was fighting them for a few panels).
Android 18 cannot suppress her strength even if she could why would she? If she is capable of beating the fighter easily she wasted no time knocking Jewel out of bounds. So why would this Mighty Mask guy who assumingly has a PL of under 90,000 be any different. When she punches the machine and scores 774 she says it's hard to control, she can't suppress her power like the other Z Fighters can.

It was proven that 18 can hold as much power as she wants by hitting the machine and by not killing the guy who she first faced with a punch a normla human......Why didnt vegeta then kill Pui Pui from the begining and he was definitlly abel to do it from the start too.....He was playing too just like her and if you notice #18 is kinda like a female version of Vegeta....You need to aks yourself why would she give any effort against the person she thought thats a normal human.And looking by what happned in the fight she definitlly didnt look like she was trying at all.

SSJ4 Vegito · 06-25-2008

Dude, Android 18 after punching the machine says it's HARD to control:

Krillin: "Hey, don't hit too hard or you'll break the Machine!"
#18: I know.
<hits the machine and scores 774>
Announcer: ...774...Points?! W-We must have a malfunction! Stand by!
Krillin: "I told you to be careful!"
Android 18: "Oh, stuff it. It's hard to control."

As you can see 18 complains that it's hard to control. Vegeta wasn't holding back much if at all against PuiPui if your not smiling AT THE MOMENT THAT YOU ATTACK. You're not holding back much if at all. Vegeta can easily Suppress his Power 18 apparently can't. As I said in my earlier Post Vegeta could see Zarbon perfectly and from his angle it looked like Zarbon was standing still. Therefore, if the boys are under 100% Freiza, to 18 they should look like they're standing still. 18 knew SSJ Vegeta was no match because, she could follow his movements perfectly. She could have used the same force she used on Vegeta or a little bit lighter to be safe. If going light didn't work then why didn't she just do to Mighty Mask what she did to Vegeta, she didn't kill Vegeta. 18 wasn't smiling when she was fighting the Kids. Even if she was holding back (Which I doubt she was), it wasn't by much.

stefzed54 · 06-25-2008

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06-25-2008	#63 (permalink)
Super_17 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 2,761 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 7	Re: 18 fighting Might Mask I don't think 18 was giving her all if she sensed goten and trunks power from the beginning she may of thought her full power would hurt them __________________ "desire is irrelevant, I am a machine."- The terminator

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Super_17 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 2,761 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 7	Re: 18 fighting Might Mask well heres the thing wasnt she human after the cell games? I mean I didnt think andriods could give birth to kids. I mean 18 did gave birth to Marron. __________________ "desire is irrelevant, I am a machine."- The terminator

06-25-2008	#66 (permalink)
Darkprince410 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ohio, United States Posts: 2,575 Rep Power: 21	Re: 18 fighting Might Mask She was still a Jinzou-ningen after the Seru Saga, as the wish that Kuririn made only involved removing the bombs in their (Juuhachigou and Juunanagou's) bodies, because a wish to make them human was above Shenron's power. She was still partially human (Gero basically turned her and her brother into cyborgs rather than true artificial constructs like Juukyuugou and Juurokugou) and still had her sexual organs intact and fully functional. However, she lacked the ability to sense ki in the Seru Saga and didn't seem to have any capability of doing so in the Buu Saga either. __________________

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Pober (15) Super Namekian Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 443 Rep Power: 1	Re: 18 fighting Might Mask Hmm so if in Gravity Chamber was not 150g, only 300g...then Trunksu still had run problem?...So why Goku didn't use 100g at first time? he wasn't accustomed? or he has no strength to able his body weight?

06-25-2008	#72 (permalink)
SSJ4 Vegito (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,940 Rep Power: 14	Re: 18 fighting Might Mask Here's something to think about Volume 6 of the DBZ Manga (Vol. 22 of the entire DB Manga) when Vegeta is fighting Zarbon: Vegeta (While doding Zarbon's attacks): "HA! Could this really be the great Zarbon?! You look like your standing still!" So as it is shown that in Vegeta's eyes Zarbon looks like he is standing still. Meaning that it should be the same for Android 18 with the kids if the Kids are so weak. Now why the hell would she not put in the amount of effort needed in order to just knock them out of bounds (She was fighting them for a few panels). Android 18 cannot suppress her strength even if she could why would she? If she is capable of beating the fighter easily she wasted no time knocking Jewel out of bounds. So why would this Mighty Mask guy who assumingly has a PL of under 90,000 be any different. When she punches the machine and scores 774 she says it's hard to control, she can't suppress her power like the other Z Fighters can.

06-25-2008	#74 (permalink)
SSJ4 Vegito (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,940 Rep Power: 14	Re: 18 fighting Might Mask Dude, Android 18 after punching the machine says it's HARD to control: Krillin: "Hey, don't hit too hard or you'll break the Machine!" #18: I know. <hits the machine and scores 774> Announcer: ...774...Points?! W-We must have a malfunction! Stand by! Krillin: "I told you to be careful!" Android 18: "Oh, stuff it. It's hard to control." As you can see 18 complains that it's hard to control. Vegeta wasn't holding back much if at all against PuiPui if your not smiling AT THE MOMENT THAT YOU ATTACK. You're not holding back much if at all. Vegeta can easily Suppress his Power 18 apparently can't. As I said in my earlier Post Vegeta could see Zarbon perfectly and from his angle it looked like Zarbon was standing still. Therefore, if the boys are under 100% Freiza, to 18 they should look like they're standing still. 18 knew SSJ Vegeta was no match because, she could follow his movements perfectly. She could have used the same force she used on Vegeta or a little bit lighter to be safe. If going light didn't work then why didn't she just do to Mighty Mask what she did to Vegeta, she didn't kill Vegeta. 18 wasn't smiling when she was fighting the Kids. Even if she was holding back (Which I doubt she was), it wasn't by much.