Madness

From a literary point of view it's obvious that Goten & Trunks (whilst also a foreshadow to future fusion) fighting 18 was mean to showcase their power to the audience. We're meant to be wowed at the fact that these base children are going toe-to-toe with a pretty powerful cyborg.

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Pober

Oka, why Trunks, unused at once 300g? There would not be fastest training?? But you can judge, he can accustom for 300g, just the same how to 150g...can you indicate me where is difference between DBZ physics and real physics?? Grandfather has said Trunksu, that body in to 100g for 60-kg person , will weigh 6 ton's.. is here somewhere error or anywhere in DBZ?? ok, but as you do not know on something, it is not correct to reject it or exclude it. When they turn movie or they write book, they have used physics, as they like?? Can i ask you why, is normal gravity in DBZ?? why Akira has used it, if he wouldn't make anything with physics?

Dupe of USSJed

Don't you dare turn this into "The power of base Gotenks"

Darkprince410

Oh, so you're saying that humans can physically fly under their own power (as well as fly faster than the velocity of light, which physics tells us is basically impossible to do) and are capable of expelling bursts of energy from their hands. Toriyama-sensei made things up as he went along, not bothering to actually do any real research to see if what he wrote was scientifically accurate.

Explain why Gokuu as a child with a battle power well under 100 was able to lift a car that must weigh around a ton (when he lifted Bulma's car at the start of Dragonball), but later when his battle power is in the tens to hundreds of millions he can barely lift fourty times that weight (when he was training in the afterlife).

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Dupe of USSJed

Perhaps that car was light weight. I doubt that the capsules would eliminate the weight of the contents

Darkprince410

Then you're saying that the houses that Bulma used in Dragonball and Dragonball Z, as well as the actual Time Machine that Torunkusu used was so light that they could be lifted up by a normal person. The capsules are made specifically to negate the weight of the object to make what would normally be large, heavy, and cumbersone into something easy and convenient for traveling.

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Pober

Hahah car? There were ACV (air cushion vehicle) -.- how you think , how much can he weigh?? 1-3 hundred kg? You rox man...but in DBZ it has made from al-metal or better light material...i give 0.5-1.5 hundred kg...not more...as like bike..

And final question, how can you extract anything, with their battles? We have known only they lost...and they was no match for her...This topic have no sense :)

SSJ4 Vegito

Let me ask you a question, if Goten was so friggin weak, then why would Gohan both to transform into a SSJ to spar with him afterall that would be a much better exercise if Goten is as weak as you say. Gohan has a suprised look on his face TWICE the first time might be because, he was suprised but look at the next fight they have. Gohan is STILL DESPITE HAVING SEEN WHAT GOTEN CAN DO, working in order to block the kicks Goten is throwing at him so you can't say he was suprised look at the part in DBZ Volume 20 where the narrator is showing all the Z Fighters training for the Budokai. There is an image of SUPER SAIYAN GOHAN having some trouble blocking all of SUPER SAIYAN GOTEN'S kicks. Yes Goten did lose but come on I'd like to see someone like SSJ 2nd Grade Vegeta (First time he fought Cell) to do any better. I've explained why 18 was not holding back much in previous posts so I don't want to repeat myself so just look over the thread and you'll find it.
Also you completely ignored my point about Goku not being able to lift 40 tons. Okay Goku tossed a car effortlessly when his PL was about 20 let's assume that the car is a really light car, I'll say about it weighs about 1,000 pounds (Half of a ton) meaning that in order to throw 80,000 pounds (40 tons) the same way he did that car then he'd have to grow 80x stronger. So 80 times 20 equals 1,600. So a PL of 1,600 is enough to throw 40 tons effortlessly, and yet Goku with a PL much higher still has trouble? Yeah, I think there is something wrong here. Odviously since PLS are inconsistant with gravity/strength feats we cannot use them to get a credible answer for how strong a character is, you understand what I'm trying to say?
I'll show you another example of this, Vegeta states that he could handle 300x gravity right off the bat. So that means Vegeta should have a PL of 270,000 since Goku with a PL of 90,000 could easily do daily activites in 100x gravity. So Vegeta should be under 270,000 at that point right? Wrong! Freiza's 3rd Suppression Power is 530,000 and after being healed by Dende is even stronger than Freiza's Third form (Which is a few times stronger than 530,000) so that means Vegeta right off the bat (Or if he's not used to it let's say after about 2 days in the Chamber) he should have a pretty good grasp on 300x gravity. So since Vegeta when he started doing 300x gravity training and he had a PL of about 2,500,000 he should be able to at least stand up in the gravity level. My point overall is Akira didn't pull out a calculator to find how much gravity someone should stand, he just wrote the story without putting things like Mathemmatics, physics and other things into his stories.

NarutoFan

Oh, God, this thread again? Is it created once a month or something?

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spiderman

Man,i couldnt say it beter myself.You saved me 10 minutes of work.Repped

sub_zero

She definitly was holding back a tremendous amount of her power.There are two things i noticed while reading some of the posts here and those are that members here are ignoring facts.

First off there was not a single moment where the fight was equal the fight was totally one sided with 18 being the one who gaved the one side.So what if Trunks was abel to block some punches then Base Gohan pre Android saga is as strong as Super Saiyajin Goku since he was abel to fight evenly with him.It just proves that they where using a fraction of their true power.

Secondly #18 is a powerfull cyborg who can destroy a planet with a blink of an eye so do you belive that she would go full power against a normal,ordinary human.Then i also might add that Krillin told her not to hurt anyone or kill.Then how much could a costume do to a fighter that can destroy a planet or who is faster then the speed of light!!!...Wich brings us to the point that the boys where going all out just look at the face they where making and then there is the point that they turned SSJ since they wouldnt be abel to win in other way wich approves all my arguments of them using full force.
So in cocnclusion i can bet in my own life that she was just only using a fraction of her true force going by what was displayed during the short fight.

Pober

How about Goten base suprised Gohan Ssj...so? What you will proof in this way?? It's too in this vol...and i am thinking Gotenks base > Gohan Ssj?? no...it's wrong point of view...
Yes, but you have forgotten about something...if you will take greatest weight you need more strength to able it ;p it is not like, i have made 2x more power and i have taken 2x more :) I coaches too and i have the same problem...my power up 3x weight only 1.5x :) Look Goku able 100g at 90,000, Vegeta able 300g on 2,000,000+...you see there 3x more weight and what difference in strength...

Now i will ask you, if Vegeta use in G Chamber not 150g, only 200g...what with Trunks? he is traying accustom to gravity level too? or he fall down and can't move?
??? ^.- I don't understand you...Vegeta use 300g at 270,000??? or he have told something like that?

SSJ4 Vegito

I'm saying that Vegeta would have to have a PL of under 270,000 in order to struggle with 300x gravity if Akira was truely consistent with Physics in Dragon Ball.

Evil Vegeta

Instead, Vegeta was likely 3,000,000 by that point, and struggled with it. I want to understand how that can be possible, since gravity is such a serious part of power levels?

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