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Old 06-23-2008   #31 (permalink)
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I believe 18 wasn't going COMPLETELY all-out I believe she might have been using more than the amount of effort she first started using against Vegeta. She even commented that the Mighty Mask was strong and yet when she was fighting against Vegeta she said he wasn't all that great. So yes, I believe she was holding back a little bit but not a huge amount.
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I'm trying to work out exactly how strong the kids are at base you see.

If 18 was holding back power, they could be weaker than 100% Freiza
They basic level? few millions max... 1-9 mln...It has already proofed by physics yet...
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I believe 18 wasn't going COMPLETELY all-out I believe she might have been using more than the amount of effort she first started using against Vegeta. She even commented that the Mighty Mask was strong and yet when she was fighting against Vegeta she said he wasn't all that great. So yes, I believe she was holding back a little bit but not a huge amount.
And why would she please explain?..She thought it was a normal human(Average pl around 10) not someone like SSJ vegeta so the amount is not a bit its huge
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Default Re: 18 fighting Might Mask

I think Base Trunks can probably take #18.
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I think Base Trunks can probably take #18.
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He fights fairly evenly with her despite his disadvantages.
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With her using minimum power since she thought it was a human since krillin told her not to kill anyone
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Nice try, but I'm not going to discuss the power levels of Goten and Trunks again.
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Yeah, but they were throwing A shit-load of Punches at her she can see if the attack is slow. So she'd notice if it was someone ABOVE average. Vegeta describes Zarbon's Movements from his point of veiw. He claims it looks like Zarbon is standing still. So since really if 18 was truely so, much stronger (She wasn't suppressing he PL, she just wasn't trying just like when she taps the Machine and gets 203 Points). When she gets 774 and Krillin keeps nagging her she says it's hard to control. So why would she put that much pressure on herself when she could be winning without too much effort?
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They basic level? few millions max... 1-9 mln...It has already proofed by physics yet...
Yeah right. That wouldn't be crap at that point.
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Hahah you have fired without ammo ;p Yes very intelligence is giving him a large million's without poof on it...so if he had this large millions on basic? and he had taken probelm with only few ton's... Trunksu when he has started train << Goku when he has flown on Namek...i don't get it, how he could make from few millions on large millons in 10 day's ;p i have admired you with it...
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DBZ Fights>>>>>>>>>>>>Physics (In the Dragon Ball world), Akira has NEVER bothered with Physics the fights Goten & Trunks have been in prove alot more than Trunks struggling with 150x gravity. That and the fact that, Goku (In that same Chapter had trouble lifting only 40 tons) we don't go around saying "Oh, well Buu Saga Goku in Base is weak because he could only lift forty tons" do we? So why should we downgrade Trunks because, he had trouble it's quite apparent that Physics in Dragon Ball are waaaaaay to inconsistent in Dragon Ball to be used in an argument.
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That's a good point about the 40 tons, which many ignore. Trunks struggling with 150x gravity, could be chalked up to him havin no experience with gravity training. There's no reason why he would be weaker then base Goku after 100x training.
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With her using minimum power since she thought it was a human since krillin told her not to kill anyone
She was ramping up her attack intensity as the fight went on because she realized that "Mighty Mask" was far more powerful than he looked, and to an extent they were able to match her intensity blow for blow, despite being encumbered by the suit.

They were not in a powered up state since they were not exhibiting any aura until they transformed into an Ssj, but if they were at full power in their base form they would have exhibited some form of an aura.
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