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Pober · 07-03-2008

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I'm just tryin to say, you have Saiyans that are as strong as Vegeta, and ones that are as weak as Raditz, if not weaker then that. If all of them gained power from 10x gravity, that means, none of them should be much weaker then Vegeta, because they all should gain incredible power from the same gravity.

They needed only 400+ powerlevel to able it...as like Goku on Kaio-planet

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When they were suppressed to 1,000 at the beginning, they quickly raised their power level to 3,000. What I think I was tryin to say, is that no namek warriors should be above someone like Raditz, because they don't have special gravity on their planet. If Kaio is correct on this, then all of the Saiyans should be above any 3,000 warrior on baisc gravity, since Kaio's quote referred to every kind of Saiyan, not just very powerful ones.

Namek warriors were training like Piccolo...look at Nail battle power :P is highter than Vegeta(30.000)...

**Darkprince410** · 07-03-2008

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Originally Posted by remixremix

No king kai said that the the main reason why they are so strong......And they are warriors who have trained under 10x gravity for MOST of their lives ..... but Bublles (I love this name

) is not a warrior and doesnt train and wont get stronger....

However, you have infants born on wakusei Bejiita with battle powers of practically 1 that aren't just outright crushed by the gravity. This is because they were conceived and born directly into that level of gravity, thus were able to grow accustomed to the gravity level at birth.

remixremix · 07-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

I'm just tryin to say, you have Saiyans that are as strong as Vegeta, and ones that are as weak as Raditz, if not weaker then that. If all of them gained power from 10x gravity, that means, none of them should be much weaker then Vegeta, because they all should gain incredible power from the same gravity.

When they were suppressed to 1,000 at the beginning, they quickly raised their power level to 3,000. What I think I was tryin to say, is that no namek warriors should be above someone like Raditz, because they don't have special gravity on their planet. If Kaio is correct on this, then all of the Saiyans should be above any 3,000 warrior on baisc gravity, since Kaio's quote referred to every kind of Saiyan, not just very powerful ones.

Namek has the same gravity as earth. When Krillin, Gohan, and Bulma felt the gravity, they said it felt just like earth.

Oh i get it now

..You wont get stronger in the gravity without training so yes they are saiyans as strong as Raditz but here are those as strong as Vegeta...The ones who are as strong as Raditz are the ones who didnt train too much and the ones who are stronger are the ones who trainde harder

-Thank you for the answer

..Maybe they trained harder since you can also gte stronger without the gravity...Like weighted clothing who is somethign as same as the gravity

Pober · 07-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

However, you have infants born on wakusei Bejiita with battle powers of practically 1 that aren't just outright crushed by the gravity. This is because they were conceived and born directly into that level of gravity, thus were able to grow accustomed to the gravity level at birth.

I agree, you could accustom to unchange in time gravity level. In real world you needed only 2 week's to grow your's body mass, and strength to able it...and after all you have not felt it.

Evil Vegeta · 07-03-2008

Well, I wonder if Vegeta, Nappa, and Raditz really trained all that much? They were probably too busy conquering planets for Freeza to do any training.

Raditz also tell's Goku, that they'll need his help to conquer a planet with powerful warriors. So, that gives us the impression that Raditz was around Vegeta & Nappa a lot. He should be above 1,200 with that alone.

remixremix · 07-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

However, you have infants born on wakusei Bejiita with battle powers of practically 1 that aren't just outright crushed by the gravity. This is because they were conceived and born directly into that level of gravity, thus were able to grow accustomed to the gravity level at birth.

YES but maybe they kept them in some "Incubators" i dont know what word to use

until they got older and stronger to be abel to whitsantd it ...since sayians baby are strong too:)

remixremix · 07-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

Well, I wonder if Vegeta, Nappa, and Raditz really trained all that much? They were probably too busy conquering planets for Freeza to do any training.

Raditz also tell's Goku, that they'll need his help to conquer a planet with powerful warriors. So, that gives us the impression that Raditz was around Vegeta & Nappa a lot. He should be above 1,200 with that alone.

Well who knows but i v got an impression that vegeta and Nappa did since Vegeta was showed in the anime who is taken as canon right? to train a lot and nappa is his right hand...But raditz is a low class warrior wih probabaly not as much training as vegeta and nappa

Evil Vegeta · 07-03-2008

When Vegeta talked about fighting against Freeza's power, he basically talked about how destroying planets, and fighting against powerful enemies, would eventually help him destroy Freeza.

They also have a training room on the planet Freeza #79, so I guess he did train after all.

remixremix · 07-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

When Vegeta talked about fighting against Freeza's power, he basically talked about how destroying planets, and fighting against powerful enemies, would eventually help him destroy Freeza.

They also have a training room on the planet Freeza #79, so I guess he did train after all.

Well there you go

....Im good at this

..Evil Vegeta do you belive the reason i belive the gravity has a lot affect on Pl is resonabel since the argument i provide are petty good.....

**Darkprince410** · 07-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Pober

I agree, you could accustom to unchange in time gravity level. In real world you needed only 2 week's to grow your's body mass, and strength to able it...and after all you have not felt it.

This however proves that battle power doesn't have a major factor in what gravity someone can withstand, if characters with battle powers of only 1 and 2 can easily move around in gravity levels that characters in the hundreds and later in the thousands have incredible difficulty with, and even in the millions expresses some difficulty.

Remixremix, the Bardock special (which Toriyama considers at least semi-canon) shows Saiya-jin infants out in the open and exposed, so any notion that they were in some special incubation system to shield them from gravity levels is simply incorrect.

Evil Vegeta · 07-03-2008

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Originally Posted by remixremix

Well there you go

....Im good at this

..Evil Vegeta do you belive the reason i belive the gravity has a lot affect on Pl is resonabel since the argument i provide are petty good.....

Yes, I think your argument is logical.

Raditz The Ruthless · 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Pober

Have you anything proof on it? or you are shooting without ammo? Why strength is not need to gravitation?

Because the Saiyans don't have to get used to it like Goku. How is it that Raditz isn't as strong as Nappa or Vegeta if gravity is supposed to make him stronger? It's their normal gravity. It's not like Goku that was not used to it. He got faster and stronger because of training under high then his normal limits.

remixremix · 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

Remixremix, the Bardock special (which Toriyama considers at least semi-canon) shows Saiya-jin infants out in the open and exposed, so any notion that they were in some special incubation system to shield them from gravity levels is simply incorrect.

Thas not correct at all....The babys where specificially showed in incubators ..even whie bardrock was reading Goku s Pl Goku was in an incubator not somewhere in open..In the whole movie we cant see a single child running in open....so where are the older kids ..unknown...both we know that the babys where kept in incubators...

To summon my proofs that the gravity has a lot more affect on PL then some people give it credit or that people need to get used to it first....

#Mirat Trunks while entering the Rosat for the first time didnt have any problems moving in it at all and he actually didnt even made a single comment about it..And he never experienced anything more then earths gravity and he wast used to it....So he was just strong enough to handle it easilly

#Gohan also while entering the Rosat for the first time just said that "his body feels heavier"..And thats all...he just comment it .....And he was also abel to easilly handel the gravity because he was just strong enough

#Base Trunks while training for the Budokai wasnt abel to move at 150 and he also never experienced anything more then earths gravity...But as soon as he turned SSJ he was abel to move so easilly without a single problem...So if he wasnt used to it he still wouldnt be abel to move no matter his SSJ form....

#We have a clearlly statment from King kai saying"That the gravity is the main reason why the saiyans are so strong"..And me and EVIL_Vegeta disscussed this and is a Valid stament....Who doesnt still belive should read our previous posts...

#Then we have Vegeta training in a 300 gravity room..Actually we dont see him training we just see him asking The Doctorto built a gravity room of 300x...Then we just have one pic of him sweating and standing and thats all..So we cant proof what gravity was on or was it during the training or if he just finished up the training

#And the last part is that Goku as a child entered the Rosat but couldnt even stay one month there and still needed to get stronger to move around better in the 10x gravity....And Goku as a child never got strong enough in the Rosat to handle the 10x gravity and put in there extreme amount of air and the high temeperatures where too much for him to handel and he was "made" to leave.....And Goku training there as a kid was not mentioned until Cell saga...and its probabaly a plot-device and just because to have an excuse to have Goku know about this room...And Goku on King Kais spent several months on Kais planet while still needing to get stronger to move around better in x10 gravity and here he got strong enough to handel it unlike the time as a child

So for all of these reasons the gravity has a big affect on Pl a lot bigger then getting used to it if at all....so this why Base Trunks Pl cant be that high like some people are saying amd this is one of the reasons i belive 18 is stronger then them in both forms base and SSJ.

Pober · 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Raditz The Ruthless

Because the Saiyans don't have to get used to it like Goku. How is it that Raditz isn't as strong as Nappa or Vegeta if gravity is supposed to make him stronger? It's their normal gravity. It's not like Goku that was not used to it. He got faster and stronger because of training under high then his normal limits.

Yes, but they need only under 400 powerlevel to able 10x...that mean, when Vegeta was borning and having force level in few thousand, so how he could feel it? Radiz has born in 10x...after 2 week's he has 400+ powerlevel...later some train, or Zenkai. Vegeta as kid >>> Radiz and Nappa...How you think, why Goku have only 10 powerlevel?? because he has left Vegeta-planet...

If we had on Earth gravity 100x, then people would have under 100,000 as kid's...

DP410, you think, if you have 2x more power, you can struggle with 2x more weight? It's not work like that.