The stage three enemy? - Page 2

Devilz · 06-26-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

People assume Goku is talking about Perfect Cell, not Super Perfect(As in weak Cell, not strongest Cell)

Gohan wasn't SSJ2 against Dabura, so there's no way he could have been referring to Super Perfect Cell.

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yet assume Supreme Kai is talking about Full Power Frieza

He could be if he knows Frieza's full power.

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Retarded logic right there.

It's not retarded.

Evil Vegeta · 06-26-2008

What I always wanted to know, is why Goku, Vegeta, or Shin ever made note of Gohan fighting with power far less then he displayed at the tourney? For Vegeta to assume Gohan is going to lose, it seems pretty stupid, considering he still has SSJ2 to use.

USSJed · 06-26-2008

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Gohan wasn't SSJ2 against Dabura, so there's no way he could have been referring to Super Perfect Cell.

SSJ Gohan was like, 10% stronger than Perfect Cell. Gohan has gotten much(I heard 50%) weaker since then, so with this logic, his SSJ shouldn't be enough to kill him. In fact, if Dabura was anywhere near PC, Gohan would need SSJ2 to beat him.

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yet assume Supreme Kai is talking about Full Power Frieza

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He could be if he knows Frieza's full power.

Ok, let me explain.

Goku: "Dabura is about as strong as Cell"
MFG Members: He is obviously referring to Perfect Cell and not Super Perfect.

Supreme Kai: "Any of the Kaioshins are able to defeat Frieza in one blow"
MFG Members: He is obviously referring to 100% final Frieza

For the second example, its obvious Kaioshin is referring to the strongest Frieza, yet for the first example, people assume he is not referring to strongest Cell, but instead the crap Cell....

Also worth noting, is that Goku makes references to how Gohan's strength is higher than Super Perfect Cell when Gohan is doing that 1 handed Kamehameha.

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It's not retarded.

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The concept that Dabura<<Super Perfect Cell

uki1234 · 06-26-2008

To the topic:

Dabura asked Babi-di who is he going to use at stage two, and Babi-di said Yakkon, and Dabura was astonished by his decision, which means he didn't count Yakkon as one of those who would potentially fight at stage 2.

Now when he look at Babi-di's other statments, he said that considering that they defeated Pui Pui with no effort, that his supposed fighter at stage 2 wont stand a chance as well. That implies that the stage two fighter wasn't far from Pui Pui's power, and when we take that obviously there were more than one possibility for stage 2 fighter in consideration, we can conclude that most likely the supposed fighter at stage 2 is one of those warriors like Pui Pui, though the one that took kili metar didn't seem like much of a fighter...

Devilz · 06-27-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

SSJ Gohan was like, 10% stronger than Perfect Cell. Gohan has gotten much(I heard 50%) weaker since then, so with this logic, his SSJ shouldn't be enough to kill him. In fact, if Dabura was anywhere near PC, Gohan would need SSJ2 to beat him.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here. And Goku was logically referring to the Cell he fought. Gohan was losing against Dabura too so I don't know what point you're trying to make.

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yet for the first example, people assume he is not referring to strongest Cell, but instead the crap Cell....

Because that would be impossible.

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The concept that Dabura<<Super Perfect Cell

So I guess facts are retarded now.

SRP76 · 06-27-2008

They didn't have all the fighters set. They only sent Puipui to stage one. After seeing how powerful the heroes were, they sent Yakon - who they were not planning to unleash yet. That means stage two would have been guarded by someone much weaker than Yakon. Yakon would have probably been the stage three guardian.

Yakon and stage two were the "substitutes", not Dabura and stage three.

USSJed · 06-27-2008

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Gohan wasn't SSJ2 against Dabura, so there's no way he could have been referring to Super Perfect Cell.

I'm referring to that, and how you think it means he was talking about Perfect Cell.

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And Goku was logically referring to the Cell he fought

How is that logical? What evidence do you have to prove that? Goku was telling Gohan how Gohan's full power is higher than Super Perfect Cell, as Gohan was beam struggling with him.

And as for the guardians, it probably went like this...

1.Pui Pui: 10 million(?)-Killed by Vegeta
2.Zui Zui: 20 million(?)-Killed when Vegeta blew up spaceship
3.Yakkon: 800 million

Devilz · 06-27-2008

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I'm referring to that, and how you think it means he was talking about Perfect Cell.

Well you're wrong. He's not referring to Super Perfect Cell.

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How is that logical? What evidence do you have to prove that?

Gohan as an SSJ fought pretty well against Dabura, so Dabura would be closest to the Cell that Goku fought.

USSJed · 06-27-2008

Either Cell would defeat Gohan easily.

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Well you're wrong. He's not referring to Super Perfect Cell.

Nice, you certainly know how to argue your point across. I'm ~~convinced~~ being sarcastic BTW

Devilz · 06-27-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Either Cell would defeat Gohan easily.

Gohan was probably stronger than the Cell that Goku fought, so losing some strength in seven years he became weaker than Dabura (who's supposed to be around the strength of that same Cell).

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Nice, you certainly know how to argue your point across.

Sorry I'm not into writing essays like other people. You'll have to bear with me.

USSJed · 06-27-2008

Where does Goku say "The Cell I fought", he just says Cell. Hell, he could mean Semiperfect Cell, or Cell jr, or Imperfect Cell as well. He didn't specifically mention any Cell.

Devilz · 06-27-2008

That's where you use logic to answer that one.

SuperTien · 06-28-2008

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Shin said that: "Each Kaioshin would've felled Freeza in one blow!"

So, while that's not 1000x stronger, he's well above Freeza in power.

He never really states if he could or not. Piccolo just said "Shin has the chi of a higher being", and that's likely knowledge from Kami.

Thank you evil vegeta.

USSJed · 06-28-2008

And how do you know, that Goku does not mean S Perfect Cell?

Devilz · 06-28-2008

Because it wouldn't make sense, like I've already explained.

06-26-2008	#19 (permalink)
uki1234 (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,204 Rep Power: 11	Re: The stage three enemy? To the topic: Dabura asked Babi-di who is he going to use at stage two, and Babi-di said Yakkon, and Dabura was astonished by his decision, which means he didn't count Yakkon as one of those who would potentially fight at stage 2. Now when he look at Babi-di's other statments, he said that considering that they defeated Pui Pui with no effort, that his supposed fighter at stage 2 wont stand a chance as well. That implies that the stage two fighter wasn't far from Pui Pui's power, and when we take that obviously there were more than one possibility for stage 2 fighter in consideration, we can conclude that most likely the supposed fighter at stage 2 is one of those warriors like Pui Pui, though the one that took kili metar didn't seem like much of a fighter... __________________ First World War, the last defense of Belgrade: "Soldiers! Heroes! The supreme command has erased our regiment from its records. Our regiment has been sacrificed for the honor of Belgrade and the Fatherland. Therefore, you no longer have to worry for your lives - they do not exist anymore. So, forward to glory! For King and Fatherland! Long live the king! Long live Belgrade!" Major Dragutin Gavrilovic - Oct. 1915

06-27-2008	#21 (permalink)
SRP76 (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,267 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 29	Re: The stage three enemy? They didn't have all the fighters set. They only sent Puipui to stage one. After seeing how powerful the heroes were, they sent Yakon - who they were not planning to unleash yet. That means stage two would have been guarded by someone much weaker than Yakon. Yakon would have probably been the stage three guardian. Yakon and stage two were the "substitutes", not Dabura and stage three.

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USSJed (27) Lord Enma Join Date: May 2008 Location: Nuking teh infidelz Posts: 5,602 Rep Power: 105	Re: The stage three enemy? Where does Goku say "The Cell I fought", he just says Cell. Hell, he could mean Semiperfect Cell, or Cell jr, or Imperfect Cell as well. He didn't specifically mention any Cell. __________________ USSJed: Thats fair enough, but what if, the NKikoho pushed Cell down through Sheer Force, no 'its a pushing attack that does no damage' or 'it mind controlled Cell to make him crash into the ground', just force.What PL would you give Tien, if Cell was 1,000,000,000 Hero: 100,000,000.

06-28-2008	#29 (permalink)
USSJed (27) Lord Enma Join Date: May 2008 Location: Nuking teh infidelz Posts: 5,602 Rep Power: 105	Re: The stage three enemy? And how do you know, that Goku does not mean S Perfect Cell? __________________ USSJed: Thats fair enough, but what if, the NKikoho pushed Cell down through Sheer Force, no 'its a pushing attack that does no damage' or 'it mind controlled Cell to make him crash into the ground', just force.What PL would you give Tien, if Cell was 1,000,000,000 Hero: 100,000,000.