USSJed

Ok, are you seriously thinking Gohan could turn SSJ at that point? Even if he could, his power would not change at all, and he would actually get weaker due to having to keep the SSJ transformation going...

JC#1

WTF? Why would that be any different from transforming into SS at other times USSJed

The Green Dragon

JC, Gohan can't turn Super Saiyan anymore. Just like Goku was able to access the power of all the SSj grades (type 2 and 3) while keeping the type 1 form (Mastered Super Saiyan), Gohan had access to all the power of all the Ssj levels in his base form, base form. This includes the multiplier for Super Saiyan 1, PLUS more. If he was to transform, he would have to do it when he supresses his power in order to be weaker than if he went Super Saiyan. Because of this, he would be weaker.

The Mystic Poweup WAS his new Super Saiyan transformation.

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Chariking

Thats because Gohan LOST his maximum potential;he never trained:P

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Its hereditary. First it was Vegeta, now him.

Madness

You can't lose potential =/

Think of a Saiyan like this:

Saiyans have their base power. Above that, and with some form of barrier in the way is the Super Saiyan power. Further above that is Super Saiyan 2 so on and so forth. What Old Kai seemed to do was "unlock" that power, dissolving the barriers and making the power become available in base form. Of course, Gohan had even more power than that, which became available. It's this reason why he's much stronger than his father ever was.

Of course, this is all speculation, as it's never really explained. But that's what would seem to have happened.

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JC#1

I guess kinda, but the mystic power up IS NOT a saiyan transformation or anything to do with saiyans or what race Gohan is.
Think of it like algebra. x is super saiyan multiplier, x2 is supersaiyan2 multiplier, etc. Mystic is x + 5 (random number) but after that, you can still bring in another x and hat'd be (x+5(mystic))*x(SS multiplier) So it'd add Mystic and SS together, because Mystic is like his new base form. If his base form was b, and then Mystic would be 1(although it really multiplies a lot more of course, this is just an algebraic expression) then 1b=b. Its still the base form, but he's a lot stronger now. Then he can get even stronger from there by doing bx (base times supersaiyan) because base has been multiplied by Mystic.
Old Kai unlocked hidden potential, not super saiyan barriers or anything to do with the fact that he was a saiyan.

Madness

*Sigh*

Look, it's related. Super Saiyan is locked potential. Old Kai destroys the barriers between the person and their potential. That's what he did with Gohan, and it's what he does with everyone.

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JC#1

SS isn't "locked" if he can access it. He's used SS may times before, so it isn't locked.

USSJed

I have read/heard two things, I think 1 is fanslation and 2 is fanslation/anime, definitely one is fanslation but I don't know where the other came from.

One, Elder Kai: "I have removed barriers etc no need for SSJ"
Two, Elder Kai: "Don't turn Super Saiyan, if you did, the planet would be destroyed from your power"

Kaio

Yea; the old supreme Kai told Gohan to power up as if he were turning into a super saiyan; so, he tried going super saiyan, but instead, drastically powered up his base form.

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JayXL14

Going SSj or SSj2 implies that you have more potential that you to unlock, therefore transforming to unlock extra strength and speed. However, Gohan has already been unlocked without the transformation (SSj or SSj2) but with Elder Kai. Therefore, he is at 100% of his potential. If you are at the peak of your strength in your "base" form, then there is no way you can go SSj and no chance in fucking hell SSj2. There's nothing more than 100%..

the predator

I think mystic is more of a disadvantage than anything. We can see from the beginning that Gohan had hidden powers. This was witnessed when he kicked Radtiz's ass. Now let's say Piccolo didn't give a crap and he stayed home with his mom, grew up to become a damn scholar and never trained to fight. Then Old Kaioshin comes along and says 'hey I can reveal your hidden power'

Now this is the question:

Do you guys ACTUALLY believe that the mystic from this scenario would be as powerful as the mystic we know?

If you do, then there's no point talking to me about this subject anymore.

However if you, like me believe his power level would be lower since IMO it also take the environment to shape your power rather than just your genes. Sure the environment helps bring out your potential but not only that, the experience helps you control it more and once you control it fully: you master it thus getting to move on to the next level.

So IMO the power Gohan would recieve in the scenario above would be great but he wouldn't know how to control, he wouldn't even know how to fly or throw a ki blast (sort of like how Goten went SSj but didn't know how to fly). So he'd learn to control it but he'll never be given the opportunity to master it since he's already at his full potential.

AND Gohan allegedly ALREADY had his hidden powers revealed - on Namek by Guru but by then he grew and his body developed, so his potential changed.

So being Mystic means he can't develop any further, however I think that if he trains in his base form he'd be able to proportionally increase his Mystic power but the thing is I don't know if Mystic can be turned on and off if this is the case then it is a big advantage but if Mystic is a permanent thing then I believe Gohan got himself into a situation where he can't improve no more.

I hope I wasn't too vague, do you guys understand my point?

Madness

But by that theory, his hidden power grew as he did. So that means he still has room for growth is he grows more (which by standard biological practice he is likely to).

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