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Sorata · 06-07-2008

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Now just think, what if MSSJ Goku focused all his power into his muscles, what do we have? MUSSJ. The power of MSSJ, increased by the same % that USSJ is higher than regular SSJ.

MSSJ unleashed his maximum power at that moment. Even if he increased his body mass it would give no effect at all and could've ended like a much too high Kaioken.

Dupe of USSJed · 06-07-2008

What are you talking about?

gad_is_here · 06-07-2008

If MSSJ focused all the power into the muscles, it wouldn't be a MSSJ. speed would reduce cause the ki output would be the same

Jay · 06-07-2008

The idea behind MSSj is that it's mastered the Super Saiyan transformation beyond the need to bulk up to various grades, all the power that could be achieve through bulking up is all ready avaliable in the body of a 1st Grade.

If you've mastered it, that's it. Unless it's remastering, in which case it would be a RMSSj, but that's kinda silly.

Dupe of USSJed · 06-08-2008

No. Once you have mastered the SSJ form you have all of its power at your disposal, instead of like 50% with the other 50% being used to maintain the form. Now, in the same way Piccolo focused his ki into his fingers to use the Special Beam Cannon, Vegeta focused his Ki into his muscles to increase his strength. Now, what if Goku took his amazing MSSJ and focused the ki into the muscles? Are you telling me nothing would happen?

Jay · 06-08-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

No. Once you have mastered the SSJ form you have all of its power at your disposal, instead of like 50% with the other 50% being used to maintain the form. Now, in the same way Piccolo focused his ki into his fingers to use the Special Beam Cannon, Vegeta focused his Ki into his muscles to increase his strength. Now, what if Goku took his amazing MSSJ and focused the ki into the muscles? Are you telling me nothing would happen?

I figured it would probably go into a Super Saiyan 2 if the PL was high enough.

gad_is_here · 06-08-2008

MSSJ has perfection in all aspects of an SSJ. Concentrating ki onto one area would ruin it

Dupe of USSJed · 06-08-2008

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No. The "mastered" aspect simply allows Goku to use all of the SSJ power, instead of using an amount (possibly over half) of his power to simply maintain his transformation. What this means, is MSSJ is just SSJ with alot more Ki at its disposal, and minimal transformation drain. Where he puts this ki is his own business, and it can be used to bulk up the muscles or for ki attacks or whatever just like it could in regular SSJ.

Jay · 06-08-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

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No. The "mastered" aspect simply allows Goku to use all of the SSJ power, instead of using an amount (possibly over half) of his power to simply maintain his transformation. What this means, is MSSJ is just SSJ with alot more Ki at its disposal, and minimal transformation drain. Where he puts this ki is his own business, and it can be used to bulk up the muscles or for ki attacks or whatever just like it could in regular SSJ.

He wouldn't need to bulk up, bulking up is a disadvantage in terms of speed. Goku would have all the power he needs from bulking up but could have it using a Grade 1 body. So if he concentrates his ki, his power will go up but his body will remain the same.

gad_is_here · 06-08-2008

But it wouldn't be MASSJ. It wouldn't be a body that he mastered anymore

Sorata · 06-08-2008

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But it wouldn't be MASSJ. It wouldn't be a body that he mastered anymore

Agreed. Do you think that he could hurt himself by this theoretical tranformation? Like when he used too high level of Kaioken.

I think that could heavily damage his body because MSSJ took maximum power his body could withstand at that moment.

Dupe of USSJed · 06-08-2008

There is no evidence to support the idea that SSJ 2nd grade is any slower than normal. Although that seems like common sense. I like to use these examples. The first two are better than the others...

Monster Zarbon: Not stated or shown to be any slower than normal

Large Frieza: Not stated or shown to be any slower than normal

Semi Perfect Cell: Not stated or shown to be any slower than before

Kid Buu: Not stated or shown to be any faster than Fat Buu

Also Garlic Jr's minions in Movie One, but that is non canon...

Whats with this logic: Goku has mastered the transformation, so unlike Vegeta, who has not mastered the transformation, he cannot focus his Ki into his muscles to get a boost like Vegeta did (even if it is at a speed cost, the Super Vegeta form was shown to be overall superior to the regular SSJ transformation. Possibly superior in both strength and speed)

gad_is_here · 06-08-2008

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Originally Posted by Sorata

Agreed. Do you think that he could hurt himself by this theoretical tranformation? Like when he used too high level of Kaioken.

The kaioken never hurt him. Just immense strain on his body. I don't think we ever saw such a strain on the body when at SSJ or higher level. So I guess no

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gad_is_here (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: I go with the naked ladies[;)] Posts: 2,507 Blog Entries: 7 Rep Power: 77	Re: Sorry about this, quick noob question If MSSJ focused all the power into the muscles, it wouldn't be a MSSJ. speed would reduce cause the ki output would be the same __________________ Nobody's perfect and since I'm nobody... Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. Avoid fruits and nuts. You are what you eat. Jim Davis All true wisdom is found on T-shirts. Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,707 Rep Power: 202	Re: Sorry about this, quick noob question No. Once you have mastered the SSJ form you have all of its power at your disposal, instead of like 50% with the other 50% being used to maintain the form. Now, in the same way Piccolo focused his ki into his fingers to use the Special Beam Cannon, Vegeta focused his Ki into his muscles to increase his strength. Now, what if Goku took his amazing MSSJ and focused the ki into the muscles? Are you telling me nothing would happen?

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gad_is_here (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: I go with the naked ladies[;)] Posts: 2,507 Blog Entries: 7 Rep Power: 77	Re: Sorry about this, quick noob question MSSJ has perfection in all aspects of an SSJ. Concentrating ki onto one area would ruin it __________________ Nobody's perfect and since I'm nobody... Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. Avoid fruits and nuts. You are what you eat. Jim Davis All true wisdom is found on T-shirts. Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,707 Rep Power: 202	Re: Sorry about this, quick noob question .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ........ No. The "mastered" aspect simply allows Goku to use all of the SSJ power, instead of using an amount (possibly over half) of his power to simply maintain his transformation. What this means, is MSSJ is just SSJ with alot more Ki at its disposal, and minimal transformation drain. Where he puts this ki is his own business, and it can be used to bulk up the muscles or for ki attacks or whatever just like it could in regular SSJ.

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gad_is_here (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: I go with the naked ladies[;)] Posts: 2,507 Blog Entries: 7 Rep Power: 77	Re: Sorry about this, quick noob question But it wouldn't be MASSJ. It wouldn't be a body that he mastered anymore __________________ Nobody's perfect and since I'm nobody... Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. Avoid fruits and nuts. You are what you eat. Jim Davis All true wisdom is found on T-shirts. Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,707 Rep Power: 202	Re: Sorry about this, quick noob question There is no evidence to support the idea that SSJ 2nd grade is any slower than normal. Although that seems like common sense. I like to use these examples. The first two are better than the others... Monster Zarbon: Not stated or shown to be any slower than normal Large Frieza: Not stated or shown to be any slower than normal Semi Perfect Cell: Not stated or shown to be any slower than before Kid Buu: Not stated or shown to be any faster than Fat Buu Also Garlic Jr's minions in Movie One, but that is non canon... Whats with this logic: Goku has mastered the transformation, so unlike Vegeta, who has not mastered the transformation, he cannot focus his Ki into his muscles to get a boost like Vegeta did (even if it is at a speed cost, the Super Vegeta form was shown to be overall superior to the regular SSJ transformation. Possibly superior in both strength and speed)