SuperTien

I think those levels would be off.

Goku on namek is atleast 3,000,000

90,000 to 3,000,000 is a 33.4x zenkai

Goku after the the fight of freeza would hopefully get a decent boost.

I think 50x ssj is a good multiplier to use sense the daizexzhuu uses it and goku could do a 20x with kaioken so it has to be better than that.



Then you have to mind that Goku trained on yardrat for a year. He was much stronger than trunks whom just killed freeza and Cold with no effort , that show's goku increased alot.

I usually Place trunks to be stronger than Goku against freeza.


Then the 3 years of training.

Goku would have improved far more than 1,000,000 most likely.

I will agree that the weaker characters should gain the most and perhaps have the largest mulitpliers to catch up but still fall far behind the strongest warriors.

Goku was 416 to tien's 250 before radditz came.

that's 1.664 times diff.


Tien Being 1/2 goku's base wouldn't be to far off from this but; to much has happened to the two of them and seperated the difference.

I'am not saiyn Tien couldn't reach the low millions


I'am just saying he's going to be much weaker than a super saiyan's base.

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Ok. Hate to be an ass but I didn't read that, those are example power levels.

Ok I read it now, and that caught my eye. I laugh when people put definite boosts, because it is a stupid thing to do. But it is good to see someone using Manga inspired Math to prove that Tien doesn't suck.

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when you find it, give me a link, and I will give you well earned rep

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Yeah I saw that, I just downloaded the whole thing from mangadownload.org(?) but it was the same fanslation. At least Raditz saga possibly to Vegeta Saga are proper viz translation

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I just don't know man.

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What the heck you talking about!

Jay

This.

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Well, look back at the Saiyan Race. They actually weren't that strong. Vegeta and Goku are just exceptions and they are prodigies to there own race.

I think normal Humans would have some potential if they knew that Ki existed.

The Z Fighters like Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, they were humans who mastered Ki, and they were much more powerful than Saiyans of the past. And just think about this, the Saiyans lived on a planet with much higher gravity, so they should have had an advantage with that too.

Saiyans of the past knew how to control Ki and trained their whole lives in higher gravity, yet the human Z Fighters surpassed them while training in Earth's atmosphere, and probably didn't train as much as they did. I'm wondering if other Humans besides the Z fighters could be the same way if they trained in the art of ki control. Or if the Z Fighters are prodigies themselves as well, like how Goku and Vegeta are prodigies of Saiyans.

But then look at the half-Saiyans. They're more powerful than full-blooded Saiyans and have more potential. It's just that they weren't given that in the anime since Goku was always the hero, with the exception of the Cell Saga. Even Vegeta himself stated that Saiyans breeding with Humans produces an offspring more powerful than the original. Then Nappa said to Vegeta that they should start repopulationg the Saiyan race, but Vegeta disliked the idea, saying he didn't want ingrate brats running around more powerful than he was.

With that said, where does the hybrids power come from? Why are they more powerful than full-blooded Saiyans? It has to do with their human side.

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I like where you are going. But heres something. No Z Fighter (cept Vegeta) surpassed 1,000 without training with Kami or King Kai.

Also, Goku, and the Humans did not surpass 100 without training with Roshi or Crane Hermit (assumption for Tien and Chaotzu)

No Z Fighter (except again Vegeta) reached the 10,000+ mark without training from King Kai or Namekian Fusion.

From my research, I have every reason to believe that if all the humans did basic Ki training, you could expect PL's of 100-500 compared to Raditz at 1200. With numbers I reckon the humans could take down the Saiyan race!

SuperTien

Hmmm, Roshi was the best of the best besides mercenary taopeipei, and roshi is at 139 after 80 years of mastering ki. Tho I think he must have been stronger once and his full power kamehameha has so be some what stronger. Odd how he is hundred year old and it took him so long to learn things compared to the humans of the z warriors. Thought Roshi is actually the pioneer of ki, after muiato and the school of muiato.

I would think most humans to be far weaker though it is rather curious how videl easily learns flying. A technique mastered by the crane school.

1,200 is a decent saiyan level. I would think fost in his class would be 500 and lower in the lower range. I woul;d think that Goku being 416 is rather close to a saiyan in his class. Though it was said he was slightly weaker than radditz would have liked. goku also only got that powerful because of all the crazy bad guys goku defeated and the training and powerups he received like drinking the dark water. Earth is poor training in some ways but can be great if trained right. The humans have to make up for there weak planet gravity. That brings up something else. Nappa and Vegeta should be much more powerful than they usaully are , the gravity would not restrict them as much. That must mean namek has near the same gravity as earth.

I say this because Vegeta was around 18,000 on earth, and kiwi was 18,000 on namek. Kiwi stated they where always about equal before hand. Thus equal powerlevels on two plantes equals near equal gravity.

Hmm what did you mean the humans could take down the human race ussjed?

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Krillin and Yamcha, showed that in one year under Kami, they could surpass the power of a "top level warrior" like Raditz. Even with only Roshi training, Krillin was 200+

So if Roshi trained half a dozen students, and they went on to train half a dozen each etc, eventually everyone would be PL 200+

Then they would all fight each other at tournaments and stuff, and get higher than that.

Then they would overwhelm the Saiyans thru sheer numbers

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Hm well Itdepends, Does Tien,Yamcha, krillin etc get to fight?

Also don't forget Radditza, nappa, and vegeta could transform.