The Green Dragon

Hell no.

The only human who could have a shot at that would be Tienshinhan, and I doubt even he could go up against a transformed Saiyan.

I doubt he could even handle Goten and Trunks when they are Super Saiyans. With training, he might be able to take them on. But Gohan, Vegeta and Goku? I don't see it happening.

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Yes I am talking about a Base Saiyan. Like I said through tremendous training and being pushed to the ultimate peak..say like Mystic Gohan, but for the humans.
Mystic Yamcha, Mystic Krillin ect, I believe against a base Saiyan they would do extremely well and have the same chances of beating them.
It's not the hard to try and imagine then them at least lasting a noteworthy amount of time again a SSJ, depending on who that SSJ was.

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The Green Dragon

The Elder Kai power up? Oh that's different. I mean that put a base saiyan higher than a Super Saiyan 3.

I'ld put a "Mystic" human probably around a Super Saiyan 2.

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The humans couldn't take goku or Vegeta's Base levels in the android saga, unless tien used the Shinkikoho( new tri beam canon)/ Krillin used the Kiezan ( destructo dick); both of those are dangerous/ deadly.

So if you would like to Say vegeta actually turned on the other z warriors and Tien or Krillin had to give it there all then yes I would say They defently could defeat him with there desperation attacks.

Tien held a second form Cell in place with the Shinkikoho

Krillin cut off Freeza form 2's tail with destructo disk. ( pl over 1,000,000)
While his own pl was 13,000?

Vegeta base level would probably die with those kikoho's raining down onto him, and a destructo would cut him in half easily. So it's all about there attacks making contact.

If Vegeta became a super Saiyan it may even still be possible that these attacks would severly injure or kill him, pre rosat.

SSJBulma

SSJ2!
See that's where I'm interested in the potential of the human warriors.
If they all went through the mystic awakening process, their PL's would be increasd dramatically and this is after they spend a heck of a lot of time in the chamber.

It's probably only me, but I can see them getting far enough to stand up to saiyans and dominate. But unfotunately a lot of the training and advantages Goku got were not bestowed upon the humans.

Kai never taught them KKen or Spirit bomb and they pretty much were left to their own usual methods of training after Freeza Saga and I think this is a reason why they just never got any further than they could of.

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SSJBulma

Wouldn't that suggest the power up is different depending on the individual and therefore there's no way of telling the ultimate PL of say Tien after it was done!?

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hmm Krillin Had his potential unlocked by Guru, same as Gohan.

That was almost a 10x increase.

Now hopefully Yamcha and Tien could have the smae thing done. ( I know Guru has passed away but perhaps the new elder namek has learned something useful) Now hopefully ALL Of them Could train in the hyperbolic time chamber and gain some more then have a mystic power awakening.

Well they would be alot more powerful, now lets say they actually knew kaioken. Yea really powerful perhaps.
Then they used there cheater attacks , yes they would defeat the saiyans.

The Green Dragon

I recall the Daizenshuu suggesting that Tien was descended from an alien race, his potential might be different from humans.

It doesn't matter if they train or not, or how much they trained. The Elder Kai ritual does the same thing regardless of how powerful they are at the time, the result will still be the same if they trained or not.

Gohan could live the life of a boring human with a PL of 5 until he was an adult, go through with the ritual, and still be greater than Ssj3 Goku.

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SSJBulma

If his origins are alien then he has an advantage over the others. Like I said it seems that you don't need to be a Saiyan to beat a Saiyan. I just hoped that the humans (not everyone) just the Z Warriors deserve the chance/ability to be able to face saiyans.
I wonder about Chaotzu though. I think he might not ever be able to beat even his fellow Z (non Saiyan) warriors, even after they all went through the same lengthy excrutiating training.

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SuperTien

Tenshinhan is a human that achieved a higher level of human. He done it with intense meditaion every day of his life.

Iam priddy sure Elder Kai's awakening doens't work that extrememly.

The Green Dragon

The third eye suggests something.

And yeah, Elder Kai's ritual does work that extremely. Gohan was weaker than a Ssj1 in his base form, and this was with him not training for 7 years due to school, then after the ritual his base form is suddenly stronger than a Ssj3? Training before hand doesn't aid the ritual.

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