Dupe of USSJed

They need a moon(which has been destroyed twice...), or a Power ball, which as far as I know is a Royal Family secret attack or something along those lines. And sure the Z Team gets to fight, it would be dumb to include hero Saiyans but not hero Humans

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SuperTien

Ah so it wouldn't be the entire saiyan race.

Well if Tenshinhan Yamchua, and kuririn are fighting, what time are they from? The humans still stand no chance if Tenshinhan, kuririn, and yamchua are from saiyan saga.

The entire world would fall to 3 ozzuru or one base vegeta.

18,000>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1800-200

Dupe of USSJed

How did you come to that conclusion?

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SuperTien

The enite human race would lose to vegeta alone if they all had a powerlevel of 200 and tien; 1800, krillin; 1700 yamcha; 1400.

Vegeta's 18,000 level would over power them all the best hope would be tien and krillin. It would only be possible if tien could use a full power kikoho or krillin could conect with a kiezan.

That's not even considering Vegeta could use the moon ball and become great ape then with a level up to 180,000 no one would stand a chance. Unless krillin could conect with a kiezan on his tail and tien and yamcha perhaps stretching it could do any good. But the rest of the humans would be to weak to do anything.

So if the entire race was involved , the saiyans would compleltey outmatch the humans.

Dupe of USSJed

All the Humans would know Destructo Disk. Even if they only had the power for one disk per battle, just think, a dozen Saiyans come to destroy a city, and encounter 500 Humans with 500 Destructo Disks flying at them...

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SuperTien

Destructo is probably a difficult attack to learn, and it would have to be taught by krillin.

a destructo disk from 500 people with a powerlevel of 200 would probably not do anything to vegeta.

Why would there only be 12 saiyans? It would be to hard to teach so many students a complicated attack.

I just don't see it happeneing.

I get what you are saying ; A lot of destructo's would be damaging to 12 saiyans, but that many humans being so powerful and knowing kienzan, just doesn't seem logical.

Also like I mentioned earlier, humans do not learn ki well.

Master Roshi is the mastere teacher of the kamehameha, and it took him 80 years to learn it. Goku just watched him the first time and picked it up.

Goku is a prodigy saiyan. The same could be said about Tien, Yamcha, and Krillin. But they where all stronger than normal humans to start out. Tenshinhan was raised from child hood to be an assassain from the crane masters basically, Yamcha was an orphan ferrel desert bandit that had to still, kill and survive for a living and was already seemed to know martial arts , Krillin was taught shaolin kung fu his entire child hood.

Iam priddy sure it take a full life of martial arts for a human to gain experience in ki and the such. A farmer could not be made into a warrior.

A person like hercule or videl, whom already had martail arts training could progress, but still would not be much stronger than muten roshi within a year, esepcailly if focused training wasn't given directly to them .

It's very difficult to teach or learn ki blast, bukjutsu, and ki manipulation for humans.
Muiato only took canonly probably two students at time- crane hermit/turtle hermit
Look Crane master only takes two students at a time-tien/chaozu
Roshi only takes two = gohan/ox king, goku/krillin, krillin/yamcha

So going with this idea it would be most reasonable for Tien to have two students, krillin to have two, yamcha to have two, chaosu to have two and roshi to have two.

That would be 10 trained humans in a year, and like I said eariler they wouldn't progress that much, and there increase would depend on there teacher.

then the saiyans I know this is all hypothetical ,but are you saying there would be the entire saiyan race? If so how? Why do you think the humans could win? Nappa and Vegeta alone would be two powerful.

Raditz The Ruthless

Didn't Goku power up thrice in Dragonball? I can't remember the order, but after Roshi's training, he trains with Korin and gets a lot stronger. He then drinks some water thing which almost kills him and fights Piccolo Daimo. So..yeah

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SuperTien

Yes that is right.
So really GOku may exceed what he would have orginally become by some margin. They sent a baby to destroy the entire world with an ozzru level of what? 100? They knew everyone was weak probably around 5. That's at most a 20x difference from the saiyan that is capable of destroying the planet.

200 is 90x weaker than vegeta's base, and 900x weaker than his ozzuru. The humans wouldn't stand much of a chance if they all where 200.

Dupe of USSJed

...Humans are shown to possess most of the best Ki attacks in the series. And obviously, we wouldn't be taking middle aged men and training them, the humans would take the next generation and train them from infancy, like the Saiyans do. Now unless Roshi and Co specifically stated they would take only two students at a time, then that idea is pure speculation. Destructo disk is not shown to be particularily hard to learn, and its shown that Krillin(PL 20,000 or so) can cut through Frieza (PL 1 million or more) with his disk, meaning even Oozaru Vegeta would be just a big target for the disks. One Tien style student could Kikoho a dozen Saiyans into oblivion as well.

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SuperTien

ah yes I suppose you are very right then with that idea. It's possible either way.

Raditz The Ruthless

But isn't there a point where you're so strong an attack does not affect? How many times stronger must you be? Cell took a kick from Vegeta at perfect state without any damage.

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Dupe of USSJed

Well, apparantly Krillin was 1/50th the power of 2nd form Frieza and the disk still cut through him easily enough

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Chariking

Me too. I mean, come on, let the humans have a "transformation". Kaioken, though not a transforamtion, but acts like a mini one.

Tien with Kaioken could have achieved the millions.

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gad_is_here

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Raditz The Ruthless

Humans have a 'Super' transformation. Roshi demonstrates it more than once.

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