Sorata

Before I start: This is not a noobish attempt to piss of someone! Please read it completely instead of just „OMG there's another noob” neg reping me.


The common (and like I saw probably the only one) argument used in Goku SSJ3 < Gotenks SSJ battle is:


Goku himself said that Gotenks would be stronger than his SSJ3 form.


But how exactly can Goku tell how strong Gotenks could be? He doesn't have a scouter to measure the Metamorese people's power. He feels someone else's Ki and compares it with his. At most he can only assume that the new formed fusion will be able to go SSJ. But it's impossible to tell how much power the fusion character can have by feeling someone else's Ki after the dance.


Furthermore the freakin huge difference beetween Fat and Super Buu is taken from this assumed Gotenks>Goku case. And there are no other proof that Super Buu is actually 4 times (or even more) stronger. Hell, there isn't even proof of him being 2x stronger than Fat Buu.


So here's my question: with all this unclear data and assumptions, why is it “obvious” to everyone that Gotenks SSJ is stronger than Goku SSJ3? This fact achieved the status of canon and in any discussion is always written as “stated”.


Are there any other proofs of Gotenks Ssj >Goku Ssj3?

stefzed54

Yeah sure, SSJ3 Goku > SSJ Gotenks (Pre ROSAT)

Evil Vegeta

If Goku knew the weaklings that he'd seen use fusion were very powerful after it, he would have some sort of understanding with two SSJ using the fusion. He was guessing, but once they formed, Piccolo never said anything about SSJ Gotenks being weaker then Goku, or that Goku's assumption was off.

We never saw SSJ Gotenks battle Majin Buu, but he was likely stronger. I think SSJ3 Goku is likely more powerful SSJ Gotenks before the training, but not after. Goku also never seemed to be wrong when he admitted someone would be stronger then himself, so there.

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Prince Vegeta

YOu're not a noob for thinking SSJ3 Goku>SSJ Gotenks (pre rosat). But your reasoning isn't necesserily correct. I'd say that Goku could have simply told Boo that to stop him from killing people. Obviously Goku must have believed in the fusion enough to figure out that SSJ Gotenks>Fat Boo. And so that's pretty much a fact but that doesnt mean that SSj Gotenks>SSj3 Goku. In fact Goku also stated that he could have defeated Fat Boo if he wanted to. All in all I wouldnt say there's evidence to point either wayu necesserily but I certainly do believe that FPSSJ3 is stronger than SSJ Gotenks (though a malleable belief to be honest). And again I'm talking about SSJ Gotenks (pre rosat), (post rosat) Gotenks is obviously stronger.

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stefzed54

Goku had no idea if the boys could turn SSJ as a fused being. Did he even ever witness a fusion?

uki1234

As I said many times, the only thing we know, is that SSJ Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku(against Fat Buu). Goku obviously didn't use his full power, so this doesn't mean much.

SSJ3 Goku could be over SSJ Gotenks

NarutoFan

Son Goku was well aware of the boys being able to transform into a SSJ as a fused being, and he states to have seen a fusion take place.

Darkprince410

He fully intended the boys to fuse while in an Ssj state, so that the resulting fusion would already be an Ssj. That's why he had the boys power up as high as they could go, then had Torunkusu lower his power to match Goten's and then have both remember that level of power.

He did see a fusion take place in the afterlife, and was fully aware of the increase in power the fusion gave the Metamorese, so factoring in both the fact that he knew how strong the boys were at the time, as well as the results of the fusion dance, then it's not hard to establish a working notion of how powerful a fusion between the boys would be.

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Sorata

Piccolo was a part of Goku's plan because he knew Goku doesn't have a clue how powerful the boys could be. Piccolo became their personal trainer and it wouldn't do any good if he shouted "OMG they're weaker than Goku were gonna die!" just when they started.

I don't know how you look at Goku's Ki sensing but I have the feeling you think that Goku saw their PL's and fusion multipliers. I always thought about Ki as if the warriors were lightbulbs. You know that one bulb shines brighter than the other but it's impossible to tell how much brighter it is.

Darkprince410

As we've seen, while ki sensing isn't as exact as using a scouter to determine a battle power, it's far more precise than what you're suggesting. So even if he wasn't 100% accurate on his assessment about the boys being stronger than he is in his Ssj3 form, it's safe to say that he was rather close.

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Majuub

Goku told TO FAT BUU someone stronger than him would come. Goku could have been refering to the power he showed to Fat Buu, not what he was truly capable of. It depends how you take the statements. The way I take them, SSJ3 Goku is more powerful than any SSJ Gotenks.

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Broly

I think SSj Gotenks is stronger than SSj3 Goku. Goku put his trust into Goten and Trunks, not simply because he wanted them to have a chance at beating Buu, no, but because he knew they had a chance at beating Buu. Goku states that a warrior he has premeditated to be stronger than himself will eventually come to fight Buu.

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Broly

Why yes he did. He witnessed the fusion before. Simple multiplication is all that's needed to figure out Gotenks' power.

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