Sorata

Plothole always works and is always valid.

SSJ3 fusion not only works only for five minutes but also drains all their power if maintained. Now your turn to answer mine.

Assumption.

Baseless assumption.

Madness

It's not so much a plothole as a plot change. Toriyama needed to keep Gotenks and Gohan out of it, so he came up with crappy excuses to do so.

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Pober

I had already explain Gotenks basic level, it was in another topic. His basic was lou, and Ssj Gotenks was only bit stronger than Goku Ssj, i was talking about Gotenksu Ssj3 > Goku Ssj3, but only bit...you wasn't proofed Gotenksu Ssj > Goku Ssj3...

Trunk and Goten had made MSsj level, and you belief in that, that's ok, it could be, even better...but they MSsj still was around 60% of No.18...

Because Trunks when he had started train, he had taken problem with only 4,500 kg...Goku, when he had end flown on Namek,he hadn't problem with 6,000 kg...and anybody more hadn't taken problem with g level, if he was stronger with ki level adequate on this g level.

And is only one question...if Trunks and Goten MSsj was about 200,000,000 ki, what is merger power? This fucking merger was really powerfull, when it had made from this weak kid, that powerfull Gotenksu...he was even surpassed Goku(the stongest of all Saiyan's)...but this difference was only bit, not that how you had thought "2 level more" {Ssj2,Ssj3}...it was incorrected and impossibled.

Evil Vegeta

How in the world is Vegeta going to be confident that Goku at full-power can blow Kid Buu away, but somehow believe Gohan can't do the same? That makes no sense, and never even implied. Even if you don't think Gohan could destroy Kid Buu that quickly, Vegeta believed SSJ3 Goku could, and since SSJ3 Goku is weaker then Gohan, Kid Buu be crushed in mere seconds by Gohan.

The plot device is actually a good explanation on why Gohan's energy wasn't enough. You need dramatic effect, not just some energy from Gohan, which would end the battle in a matter of seconds when you really think about it. It's the same with Cell learning teleport; how is he going to absorb cell's from Goku at that point when he only received cell's in his structure from Gero's computer? That's just for plot only.

Base Gotenks is far superior to SSJ Goku.

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apocalypse1280

Maybe they didn't call in Gohan to the rescue, or Gohan's power wasn't enough to kill Kid Buu because he wasn't "mystic" anymore. That's why he wasn't "mystic" in GT.

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Darkprince410

Pober, first off stop with the profanity. You've been warned countless times about that.

Ok, this is aimed more at Pober to prove that Gotenkusu's forms were far above Gokuu's equivalent forms, nothing more.

First and foremost is the "fact" that Gokuu couldn't kill Fat Buu. While we know from later on that this isn't the case, for the time being as far as Pikkoro knew, Gokuu was being honest with his statement about it (Gokuu incidently was probably honest anyway, since the level of power Buu was exhibiting when the two fought was not his full strength, but that's for another topic).

Later, when Ssj Gotenkusu first forms, Pikkoro makes a comment that he may indeed be strong enough to get the job done. Now remember, he sensed Ssj3 Gokuu's battle power when he and Buu fought on Earth, and likewise remember what Gokuu said about not being able to beat Buu. So in Pikkoro's mindset, if Ssj3 Gokuu wasn't strong enough to defeat Buu, in order for someone to be strong enough to destroy him, it would take someone stronger than Ssj3 Gokuu. Since he says that Ssj Gotenkusu seems strong enough to get the job done, then that means that Pikkoro senses that he is stronger than Ssj3 Gokuu was when he fought Buu.

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USSJed

Ok, complex argument, simple answer.

We all know that to kill Buu, you need an attack much stronger than him, otherwise he will just regenerate. What we don't know, is exactly how much stronger we are talking about. Majin Vegeta was at a similar level to Buu in the early stages of their fight, and when he blew up, Buu was fine. I do not know the power of a self destruct, but I know it would be muuuuch stronger than the user.

If we do not know how strong you have to be, perhaps you need a spirit bomb 100x stronger than Buu to kill him?

Sorata

That would be weird cause Goku stated he could've destroyed Chibi Buu if he used his theoretical Full Power.

USSJed

Perhaps his "full power" is 100x higher than what we have seen? And was that manga stated or anime stated?

Sorata

Perhaps it is but I doubt it. His non accesible (at that time) power could be bigger than Gohans though.

gad_is_here

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USSJed

You and me both

Madness

His accessible power was more than Gohan's accessible power you mean?

Well duh.

But once Gohan was fully released, he outstripped Goku by far.

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