Madness

No, no it cannot. Not if we take the context of the speech and do not use these out-of-text assumptions. We do not treat Goku as a real character, we do not suppose things that he may or may not do and we do not assume things that are not stated.

Goku states SSJ Gotenks would be stronger than him.

He is never contradicted and never rebukes this statement.

The answer is clear.

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Majuub

That's not what I mean. Let's say I am Goku and you are Fat Buu. We fight, I'm not anywhere near close to my full power, then I tell you ''someone stronger than me will come and fight you'' will you think that someone is stronger than what I showed you or stronger than what I didn't show you? For me when Goku said that, he was comparing Gotenks power to the power he showed to Fat Buu not his true power.

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Madness

That's exactly what I am talking about. You are treating Goku as a real person rather than a construction in a manga. In these cases, we cannot assume what the character would and would not do. Besides, there is no deceit in Goku's character. As a character, he says what he means.

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Majuub

I'm not treating him as a real person. If Goku was fighting in his base form and told Fat Buu ''Someone stronger than me will come and fight you'' everyone would think Goku was comparing that someone to his base form, not his full power as an SSJ3. There is also the fact at that point, Goku never showed his full power so obviously we can take for granted he was talking about the power he showed and not his peak.

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Evil Vegeta

Well, don't forget Goku lied to Piccolo about not being able to finish Majin Buu and later admits he could've if he wanted.

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Madness

That is very true. He could've easily been using his full power.

Again, true, but that doesn't mean he lied about Gotenks.

And Majuub, I'm not ignoring you, just I think everything has been said in these last two comments.

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Sorata

Can I ask why? How Goku being in the same league but weaker than Super Buu is implying that Kid Buu was the strongest?

Wow, so Goku should tell Buu that he's just guessing that Gotenks would be stronger. I bet that'd make him happy and waiting for the fight. (sorry for the irony but Goku just had to tell that Gotenks would be stronger).

I proved by using logic that Goku just couldn't know how strong would Gotenks be and you just can't deny it.

You can tell like Devilz:
Goku was so perfectly sensing Ki (and is good at math) that he could tell how strong Gotenks would be by watching two Metamorese fuse and comparing the fusion multiplier to the kids power.
But here comes a question:
Then why didn't they notice Super Buu's change if there sensing was so perfect?

Basically you're saying that this was created intentionally plothole. So lets justify all assumptions with storytelling purposes. It would be the universal argument.

But the fact that they didn't sense any change in Buu's strenght is there, is directly shown in the manga and we can't just deny it.

There are no proof that Super Buu was stronger than Fat Buu by a wide margin. To be more precise and by all the logic he just can't be much stronger. He's basically the same Buu combined from Good and Evil.

In Fat Buu there was Good and Evil side. They parted and fought for domination in their symbiosis. Evil won and had taken the form of Super Buu. Same power but other character in control.

Majuub

Goku was obviously not using his full power, if he was, he wouldn't have said he could have killed Fat Buu in volume 42 =/

Fat Buu was laughing when they were fighting and Goku would be stupid enough to think he had a chance?? That doesn't make any sense.

I don't see why everything as been said. Up to that point, no one knew Goku's full power and my last paragraphe proved he wasn't using it against Fat Buu. If Goku said ''Someone stronger than me'' it means that someone is stronger than what Goku showed and up to that point he never showed his full power. Let's make a quick recap.

SSJ3 Goku(vs Fat Buu): 1,200

SSJ3 Goku(vs Chibi Buu): 2,000

When Goku was fighting Fat Buu, it was his full power at that point since it was the maximum power he showed and his ''real'' full power wasn't even revealed yet. If Goku was really talking about his real full power(The power he showed against Chibi Buu) it wouldn't make sense since he would be talking about a power that was not revealed yet.

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Evil Vegeta

Piccolo stated that Super Buu was stronger then Majin Buu when he came to the lookout.

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Devilz

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By the way, what's all of this no one sensed Super Buu's power? Just because Krillin didn't sense it? That means nothin, because Goku sensed it from Shin's planet. No power is going to be felt from that distance unless it's very powerful, and Buu was suppressed at that point.

That argument would be utterly crushed. don't use it.

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Majuub

You know what is the difference there?

The statement was at the very end of DBZ in volume 42 and Goku said that without a shade of doubt.

Fat Buu was laughing when he was fighting Goku but there is nothing to suggest he can get much stronger since, he ranged from weaker than Dabura to much stronger than SSJ2 Vegeta. It means a relaxed Fat Buu should be weaker than Dabura and with Goku he was able to keep up with an SSJ3??? How strong is Fat Buu relaxed, in the SSJ3 league or in the MSSJ league? Everyone said Fat Buu wasn't using full power against Goku but the only thing to suggest he wasn't is the fact he wasn't angry, but that very fact is contradicted by the fact a relaxed Fat Buu should be weaker than Dabura not almost as strong as SSJ3 Goku. Maybe Fat Buu was close to his roof against Goku, he wasn't pissed but that doesn't mean he was far from his full power.

There is also this fact: When Goku made his statement about him being able to beat Fat Buu, Fat Buu's full power was known up to that point, so obviously the author would make a statement about Fat Buu's full power. When Goku said ''someone stronger'' the full power of SSJ3 Goku wasn't known up to that point, so Goku couldn't have been refering to something that didn't exist yet when he was talking about the ''someone stronger. When he said he could have beaten Fat Buu, Fat Buu's full power was somewhat shown in the manga so even if that power wasn't known by Goku, it was known by the readers and the author, so Mr Toriyama could have made Goku refering to something everyone including him knew about. At the end of DBZ, Fat Buu's full power was known, but when Goku was fighting Fat Buu, Goku's full power wasn't known.

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Madness

Never mind, it's not quite as extreme as I thought it was. But I still feel it sells Super Buu short.

Goku had plenty of opportunities to tell someone he was disappointed in SSJ Gotenks. He never did. He could've told Supreme Kai, Kibito and Gohan.